[News] Sieloff will not return to Windsor

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

To those who are continuously concerned about "wasting" or using a year of the Flames' prospects' ELCs, think about this:

This team is in a rebuild. The Flames have the second most cap space in the league. Soon, the Flames will be without Cammalleri, Stajan and other vets who make good money. That frees up even more cap space. Even if these guys' ELCs run out, the Flames have money for days.

It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. The only way it would be an issue is if this were 2008 again and the Flames were in the top 3 spending teams in the league.

Cap space is always an issue.... as is budget and profitability.


If the Flames are 10-15M less than cap this year then Burke has a much better argument to take to ownership when he wants to bury a Kotalik contract in 2-3 years rather than saving $3M by trading Regehr for Butler.

Sieloff's ELC runs out in 4 years. In his last year of ELC the Flames will likely be at or near the cap.

Either they will be getting high paid Veterans (Minnesota) to get to the next level or paying their prospects huge $ like Edmonton.

Two years ago when Winnipeg got back to the NHL they basically announced that they were going have an internal cap 10-15M under the real cap and this year they are 2.3 M below the cap.

They added Setegouchi, Frolik and Jokinen but are paying their former prospects 5M + ..

In 4 years when Sieloff is coming off his ELC I really hope that Baertschi, Brodie and Backlund, Monahan, Gaudreau are looking at 6M+ contracts.

This spring when Gaudreau finally signs he will be having a 3.7 - 4.0 cap hit. He has basically the same leverage as Justin Schultz.

Corban Knight has a 3.7 cap hit.

[8sPOT]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Bit of a gamble to get Sieloff on the jersey. What number would he wear if he made the team? 50 is a bit silly, and his preferred #10 is currently spoken for...

Yes which is why I say damn! I may have to wait until all that is sorted out.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Cap space is always an issue.... as is budget and profitability.




This spring when Gaudreau finally signs he will be having a 3.7 - 4.0 cap hit. He has basically the same leverage as Justin Schultz.

Corban Knight has a 3.7 cap hit.

He doesn't have the same leverage. One is a 4th round draft pick and the other was a UFA, big difference. Corban Knights cap hit doesn't matter as he has to achieve all his bonus payments to achieve the money.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

He doesn't have the same leverage. One is a 4th round draft pick and the other was a UFA, big difference. Corban Knights cap hit doesn't matter as he has to achieve all his bonus payments to achieve the money.

Yeah that rookie cap is only 3.7 if he hits his bonuses, which I don't think people would be that upset with if he did. Cervenka was a 3.5 cap hit but at the end of the year it ended up being around a third of that.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nightfx

What's with everyone's obsession with preserving the ELC? The Flames won't be near the cap any time soon where rookies on ELC's are useful

Not to mention that physical defensemen aren't usually the ones who cash in huge on 2nd contracts. Hard to imagine Sieloff being worth millions after his ELC.

[Phanuthier]

Anyone have any info on how NHLers/AHLers do after the WJC? Does their performance go up or down?

I know many NHLers are the Olympics have a dip in their play

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I think most would agree, that if he and management think he is ready, burning a year of ELC is not that big of a deal. I also think that management will need to consider how to incorporate all of these young players in the next few years. Monahan/Poirier/Klimchuk/Seiloff/Wotherspoon/Ferland/Johnny/Agostino/Ekblad? all could be introduced to the NHL in the next few years. Likely not a good idea to have them break in all at once.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I think most would agree, that if he and management think he is ready, burning a year of ELC is not that big of a deal. I also think that management will need to consider how to incorporate all of these young players in the next few years. Monahan/Poirier/Klimchuk/Seiloff/Wotherspoon/Ferland/Johnny/Agostino/Ekblad? all could be introduced to the NHL in the next few years. Likely not a good idea to have them break in all at once.

I agree. I think it is important to let some young guys who are ready to play to play this year. I also think we need to keep quite a few vets each year for the next few years. Being to young can be a bad thing. If Sieloff, Monahan, Knight, Ferland and Wotherspoon can all play this year it will help that they aren't all rookies next year. If we suck bad enough my guess is our first rounder next year plays next year. If Monahan goes back to junior and the rest play most if not all the year in the AHL then we are looking at way to many rookies in one year that should make the team next season. Could be a log jam for a few years after that too if we don't let a few guys this year get some experience

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I think most would agree, that if he and management think he is ready, burning a year of ELC is not that big of a deal. I also think that management will need to consider how to incorporate all of these young players in the next few years. Monahan/Poirier/Klimchuk/Seiloff/Wotherspoon/Ferland/Johnny/Agostino/Ekblad? all could be introduced to the NHL in the next few years. Likely not a good idea to have them break in all at once.

Great point. I believe the average # of players that leave the NHL a few years ago was 2-3 players.... so the natural # of incoming players should be 2-3. For a rebuilding team, maybe a little more... but good to stagger them

It would be great if guys like Horak and Backlund (out of the NHL by 2014, book it!) could be stable NHLers by the end of the year, and maybe a few guys like Sieloff and Ferland and even Paul Byron start making the jump by the end of the year before the Gaudreau/Klimchuk/Porier start making the push.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Cap space is always an issue.... as is budget and profitability.


If the Flames are 10-15M less than cap this year then Burke has a much better argument to take to ownership when he wants to bury a Kotalik contract in 2-3 years rather than saving $3M by trading Regehr for Butler.

Sieloff's ELC runs out in 4 years. In his last year of ELC the Flames will likely be at or near the cap.

Either they will be getting high paid Veterans (Minnesota) to get to the next level or paying their prospects huge $ like Edmonton.

Two years ago when Winnipeg got back to the NHL they basically announced that they were going have an internal cap 10-15M under the real cap and this year they are 2.3 M below the cap.

They added Setegouchi, Frolik and Jokinen but are paying their former prospects 5M + ..

In 4 years when Sieloff is coming off his ELC I really hope that Baertschi, Brodie and Backlund, Monahan, Gaudreau are looking at 6M+ contracts.

This spring when Gaudreau finally signs he will be having a 3.7 - 4.0 cap hit. He has basically the same leverage as Justin Schultz.

Corban Knight has a 3.7 cap hit.

It's damn near impossible to know what Calgary's salary cap structure will be like 4 years from now. Way too many variables to be accounted for. Salary cap will likely go up each of those 4 years. We have no idea which current roster players will still be around, have no idea how out current and future prospects will develop, have no idea which big name players will make it to UFA status. If we are near the cap 4 years from now, I would take that as a good sign. As long as Feaster/Burke down sign any albatross contracts, if we're near the cap it likely means we're highly competitive. It's always nice to think about the future, but it's far too unpredictable to know what our salary cap situation will be in 2017.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Great point. I believe the average # of players that leave the NHL a few years ago was 2-3 players.... so the natural # of incoming players should be 2-3. For a rebuilding team, maybe a little more... but good to stagger them

It would be great if guys like Horak and Backlund (out of the NHL by 2014, book it!) could be stable NHLers by the end of the year, and maybe a few guys like Sieloff and Ferland and even Paul Byron start making the jump by the end of the year before the Gaudreau/Klimchuk/Porier start making the push.

Backlund is already a stable NHLer. Getting injured doesn't take away from his NHL player status. No chance he is out of the NHL in a year, unless he has a career ending injury. At worst he ends up a 3rd line C. More likely second line and he is going to fight for first line minutes this year with Stajan.

I agree with the rest though and also that we need to make room for rookies to come in now so that they can be staggered over the next few years instead of a massive influx of youth next season.

[MrMastodonFarm]

The comment about Backlund was firmly tongue-in-cheek, referring to another poster who has that as his signature I think.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I think most would agree, that if he and management think he is ready, burning a year of ELC is not that big of a deal. I also think that management will need to consider how to incorporate all of these young players in the next few years. Monahan/Poirier/Klimchuk/Seiloff/Wotherspoon/Ferland/Johnny/Agostino/Ekblad? all could be introduced to the NHL in the next few years. Likely not a good idea to have them break in all at once.

With that being said the team will more then likely be even younger next year with the amount of veterans on their last year this year. As bad as the flames are projected to be this year, they just might be worse then next. Which isn't all that bad with McDavid available.

[Papa Gino]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Bit of a gamble to get Sieloff on the jersey. What number would he wear if he made the team? 50 is a bit silly, and his preferred #10 is currently spoken for...

I have a Sieloff retro jersey...number 27, the number he wore at World Juniors. I presume he'll take 27 because he'll also make Derek Smith expendable. Won't be wearing 50 for too long I don't think.

And, I like being the first to have a prospect jersey. Doesn't need to be the right number, me and my buddy just like indie jerseys. He has an Agostino 18 jersey. We get them lettered at Canadian Tire who sends away to Great Plains though. Half the price of jersey city!

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Papa Gino

I have a Sieloff retro jersey...number 27, the number he wore at World Juniors. I presume he'll take 27 because he'll also make Derek Smith expendable. Won't be wearing 50 for too long I don't think.

And, I like being the first to have a prospect jersey. Doesn't need to be the right number, me and my buddy just like indie jerseys. He has an Agostino 18 jersey. We get them lettered at Canadian Tire who sends away to Great Plains though. Half the price of jersey city!

I would think Baertschi would have first dibs on 27

[Coach]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I would think Baertschi would have first dibs on 27

I don't think baertschi would change even if 27 became available. He has said he wants to stick with 47 for the fans who had already bought his jersey.

Didn't you post that?

[Papa Gino]

Also I don't really care if he gets 27 or not. Just to be the only dude in the dome with a Sieloff jersey at this point is pretty funny. Whether he stays at 50, gets 10 or 27, I'll still wear the jersey and I'm more concerned about the name on the back than the number.

[Phanuthier]

Nothing wrong with a Iginla #24 jersey