If your a Hunter, don't be a Stoner

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Same goes with making money. If you make enough money to feed your family and house them in a moderate dwelling, that is enough. If you make more than your family needs and don't donate that money to poor people who are starving to death...that makes you a horrible person. All these people who live in big houses and make millions of dollars just to buy fancy cars and eat fancy foods while others live in poverty is outragous!

See what I did there... Where do you draw the line? People do things for "shiggles" all the time, some people will buy fast cars just to look cool while others are starving in the streets or left homeless due to flooding. This is turning into an ethical battle that is on a slippery slope. Just because you disagree with something, doesn't make it wrong or make the person who does it any less of a person.

Saying someone is disgusting because they trophy hunt is like saying someone is disgusting because they make millions of dollars when they could live off of hundreads.

Grizzley bears are legal to hunt, it's not like he was shooting people. Some people need to calm down before this gets out of hand.

I dunno dude...ending a life and making a salary are kinda different. I see what you did there...but it doesn't make sense

[Poe969]

so you're agains sportfishing too. That's ending a life isn't it? Swating flys, that's ending a life isn't it? It boils down to personal choice.

My wifes aunt and uncle and cousin are in town from BC and they laughed about the story. They said that this happens all the time and the only reason it's getting any kind of press is because he's an NHL player. They said that Carey Price does just as much hunting and fishing as anyone but there are no stories about that going on.

Hunting isn't illegal. Trophy hunting isn't illegal. He did nothing legally wrong. If you disagree with his lifestyle, that's your choice. If that's the case we'd better open this up to abortion, immunization, bull fighting and just about anything else anyone disagrees with.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Poe969

so you're agains sportfishing too. That's ending a life isn't it? Swating flys, that's ending a life isn't it? It boils down to personal choice.

My wifes aunt and uncle and cousin are in town from BC and they laughed about the story. They said that this happens all the time and the only reason it's getting any kind of press is because he's an NHL player. They said that Carey Price does just as much hunting and fishing as anyone but there are no stories about that going on.

Hunting isn't illegal. Trophy hunting isn't illegal. He did nothing legally wrong. If you disagree with his lifestyle, that's your choice. If that's the case we'd better open this up to abortion, immunization, bull fighting and just about anything else anyone disagrees with.

So let's be clear, if it's legal it's all fine and good, right? That's your stance?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Hunting isn't illegal. Trophy hunting isn't illegal. He did nothing legally wrong. If you disagree with his lifestyle, that's your choice. If that's the case we'd better open this up to abortion, immunization, bull fighting and just about anything else anyone disagrees with.

I think we discuss the ethics of all of the above things on a regular basis. Legal does not mean ethical.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Poe969

so you're agains sportfishing too. That's ending a life isn't it? Swating flys, that's ending a life isn't it? It boils down to personal choice.

My wifes aunt and uncle and cousin are in town from BC and they laughed about the story. They said that this happens all the time and the only reason it's getting any kind of press is because he's an NHL player. They said that Carey Price does just as much hunting and fishing as anyone but there are no stories about that going on.

Hunting isn't illegal. Trophy hunting isn't illegal. He did nothing legally wrong. If you disagree with his lifestyle, that's your choice. If that's the case we'd better open this up to abortion, immunization, bull fighting and just about anything else anyone disagrees with.

No. This is getting out of hand on CP. No, we don't have to talk about everything if we're going to talk about this thing. No we don't have to be morally outraged at every single thing in the world to express moral outrage at this thing. No, we don't have to discuss everything because we're discussing one thing.

It's getting stupid. If a thread is about one thing, we're perfectly fine to discuss that one thing. If you yourself think other things deserve discussing just as much as the thing that's actually being discussed then start threads on other things.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by troutman

Culling. Illegal.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fishingregs-pdfs.html

Never Cull Fish
“Culling” is staying within the catch limit for a species by releasing fish
from a stringer or other holding device when a larger fish is caught. Fish
that have been held on a stringer or in a tub usually die if released because
of stress and because of damage to their gills, fins and scales.

I think that is different than catch and release though, a stringer entails holding onto the fish for an elongated period of time by placing a string from the gill out the mouth of the fish.

That is a practice that I think is more barbaric than trophy hunting, essentially letting a fish suffocate, at least with trophy hunting if it is done right it is quick and painless. I don't think the animal cares what it's carcass is going to be used for... it's dead.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by valo403

So let's be clear, if it's legal it's all fine and good, right? That's your stance?

No, but in this case it is.

Originally Posted by GGG

I think we discuss the ethics of all of the above things on a regular basis. Legal does not mean ethical.

You're right, legal doesn't mean ethical but because a few people don't agree with something doesn't mean it's unethical

Originally Posted by flameswin

No. This is getting out of hand on CP. No, we don't have to talk about everything if we're going to talk about this thing. No we don't have to be morally outraged at every single thing in the world to express moral outrage at this thing. No, we don't have to discuss everything because we're discussing one thing.

It's getting stupid. If a thread is about one thing, we're perfectly fine to discuss that one thing. If you yourself think other things deserve discussing just as much as the thing that's actually being discussed then start threads on other things.

This started because a picture of an NHL player was made public and now people are calling him a monster because he did something that (I'm guessing) a few people on here would enjoy doing. Fact is, he's not the only one who trophy hunts, it's not illegal and worse things have and are happening to people in this country.

[dustyanddaflames]

Just to add - just because some people are upset about it, doesn't make it wrong neither. I get you don't like it - doesn't mean others can't.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

For sure, I am sure there are vegans out there that are outraged that I eat...err...love meat. And that is totally their right...

[Fozzie_DeBear]

...And I'd like to propose that a Mod move the discussion to off topic?

CP'ers that come to the FOI are probably wondering why there is so much serious chat in the Hockey only section.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by dustyanddaflames

Sorry, I don't follow here - if you care to explain, I'd love to elaborate and answer your question. Also - could the mods please move this topic to the proper form, as this isn't much for a hockey discussion anymore

You wrote that there is a need for trophy hunting. I asked you to explain what the need was. Pretty simple.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No, but in this case it is.

You're right, legal doesn't mean ethical but because a few people don't agree with something doesn't mean it's unethical

This started because a picture of an NHL player was made public and now people are calling him a monster because he did something that (I'm guessing) a tiny fraction of the general population would enjoy doing. Fact is, he's not the only one who trophy hunts, it's not illegal and worse things have and are happening to people in this country.

I think this is more accurate than what you wrote.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No, but in this case it is.

You're right, legal doesn't mean ethical but because a few people don't agree with something doesn't mean it's unethical

This started because a picture of an NHL player was made public and now people are calling him a monster because he did something that (I'm guessing) a few people on here would enjoy doing. Fact is, he's not the only one who trophy hunts, it's not illegal and worse things have and are happening to people in this country.

Ahhh. The old "there are worse things happening in the world" argument.

Well that makes it all okay. Of course you're right, we shouldn't address any social or moral issue until we end hunger, bring peace to the Middle East, etc.

Please continue the mindless slaughter of trophy animals so you have something 'nice' to hang on your wall.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No, but in this case it is.

You're right, legal doesn't mean ethical but because a few people don't agree with something doesn't mean it's unethical

This started because a picture of an NHL player was made public and now people are calling him a monster because he did something that (I'm guessing) a few people on here would enjoy doing. Fact is, he's not the only one who trophy hunts, it's not illegal and worse things have and are happening to people in this country.

Your earlier statement equating swatting flies to killing grizzly bears is pure brilliance. Let's start with the fact that there are probably about 1 million humans on this planet for every grizzly bear, and probably a similar ratio of flies to humans.

Have you ever seen a skinned bear carcass? They look pretty damn human. Maybe not biologically, but humans and bears are as related as humans and monkeys in many ways. Would you look a monkey in the eye as you pulled the trigger? Not to get too hippy-dippy, but bears are commanding/significant/spiritual/you recognize a different kind of humanity when you are in their presence...

What's the difference between shooting a bear for no good reason and shooting a dog or a cat?

Trophy hunting is legal right now, and some people enjoy it, so that makes it okay? More pure genius.

Slavery was legal once, a bunch of people enjoyed it, so it was okay too, right? One could go on with about a million similar analogies...

Trophy hunting is senseless and stupid, and should not be legal. Hopefully sometime in the future it won't be - when the 'enlightened' people of that time look back at this time, they will shake their heads at barbaric dumbasses such as yourself. Give your own head a shake.

[JJolg]

Drawn for elk and mule deer this year. Had a nice 5 point elk on cam past week, wish me luck.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I will never be a hunter, which means if the zombie apocalypse happens I'm screwed.

I don't have a problem with hunters or the act of hunting but I think they should be restricted to a bow and arrow to kill their prey...and if they can't do it with that they shouldn't do it at all. Some of these rifles give a crazy ridiculous advantage to the hunter, so much so that it doesn't take any skill anymore to hunt and kill prey other than stumbling upon the animal (and yes I know that there's advanced bow technology too).

Full disclosure, I am also anti-gun on just about every level.

Yeah, that's how its done. You just go walk around in the woods until you 'stumble' upon an animal.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don't like hunting if you aren't using the meat. And you can use the meat of a bear its just not very good although I have had some good bear jerky.

Hunting where you eat the meat afterwards really is no different then buying meat from the store other than the fact that you have to be an agent in the killing of your animal. I think that if you want to eat meat you should at least kill some of it occasionally. If you can't stomach gutting a fish or killing a deer should you really eat a cow that takes a bolt to the back of the head?

It is also exponentially more healthy to eat wild game.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by troutman

On a related note, I saw a news report a few weeks ago that there may be 3X as many grizzles in SW Alberta than previously thought. This was determined by DNA analysis of hair on scratching sites. This jibes with anecdotal evidence of hunters and hikers in the back country.

IRRC, the hunt was suspended in 2006, but there is some talk that a limited hunt in Alberta could resume.

http://srd.alberta.ca/FishWildlife/W...s/Default.aspx

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/group-w...hunt-1.1185223

All I've heard since I've been back in the Flathead is how the Grizzly population has swelled significantly here as well. Definitely not much talk of opening Grizzlies up for hunting here, but there is concern that there may be too many bears for the habitat available.

Wolves are a big issue here as well. Out of control in most Montanan's eyes.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

God forbid bear populations get anywhere back near historic levels.

Quick! Shoot them all!

Yes, I'm sure the citizens of Calgary and other Rocky Mountain region cities and towns would be fine with historic populations of Grizzlies and the accompanying historic ranges (far beyond the Rockies mind you) with the food sources that exist for them today. That wouldn't be a recipe for disaster at all.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Fact, Grizzly bears are far closer to being endangered then they are to needing any sort of population control.

How would you know?

Do you know the range of each particular bear? If you don't know that then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Provincial and state wildlife agencies spend millions to obtain this kind of information so that they can properly manage wildlife species.