[Signing] Blues sign Bouwmeester to 5yr extension ($5.4 mil AAV)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by timbit

Per USA Today:


It doesn't look like Hitchcock or the GM thought that Bouwmeester was the 5th most important D man.

Last minute of a close game up 1 goal..... with the other team sending out Getzlaff/Kopitar/Kouvi /Franzen / Ladd/ Wheeler/Kane/Toews/Bickell/Hossa (big forwards who are going to crash the net) You want Bouwmeester on the ice rather than Polak and Jackman?

At the end of the game down 1 goal you want Bouwmeester out instead of Shattenkirk and Pietroangelo.

As the highest paid Blue (pending Pietroangelo's contract) the answer should be a resounding Of course!!


Is Bouwmeester any where as good as Bogosian ?? 5.1 Or Byfuglien 5.2 or hamhuis 4.5 or even Elder at 5M?


After the destruction Bouwmeester inflicted on the Flames Org I would not want him at 2M but using the above comparables his market value s/b 3M max.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Bouwmeester makes his defense partner play far worse than they are...... Regeher, Gio and even Butler. Butler with Buffalo was their best young d-man.... a year with Bouwmeester and his career is on the rocks. There are no examples of Bouwmeester's d-partner improving like you would expect from a top D-man.

This is a load of crap.

Regehr was plummeting with Dion, and then actually had a slight improvement with Bouw, only to plummet again in Buffalo before recovering in L.A.

Butler played first pairing minutes with Bouw and somehow did that adequately when most people on this board think he is an AHL calibre d-man.

Giordano emerged when paired with Bouw his first season here and his regression the last two seasons has not been because of Bouw. Hell they have barely played together.

Maybe it was the other way around in Calgary and forcing Bouw to play with a bunch of 2nd/3rd pairing d-men for 25 minutes a game made him look worse.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

After the destruction Bouwmeester inflicted on the Flames Org I would not want him at 2M but using the above comparables his market value s/b 3M max.

That is just being dramatic. The Flames organization inflicted more destruction on Bouwmeester's career than Bouwmeester inflicted on the Flames. Last season showed how poorly deployed he was under Sutter and gave us a glimpse of how things could have been with a different coach/system.

If the Flames were not in a rebuild and we had the right coach/system to use Bouwmeester than I would happily have him on our roster at $5.4M.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That is just being dramatic. The Flames organization inflicted more destruction on Bouwmeester's career than Bouwmeester inflicted on the Flames. Last season showed how poorly deployed he was under Sutter and gave us a glimpse of how things could have been with a different coach/system.

If the Flames were not in a rebuild and we had the right coach/system to use Bouwmeester than I would happily have him on our roster at $5.4M.

Agreed there. It's not secret, Bouwmeester doesn't make people better. He adds talent to your group but unfortunately this team didn't have anybody for Bouwmeester to compliment. Instead you've got a number of defensemen who can't/don't shoot in Bouwmeester, Gio, Brodie and Butler.

For the Blues, he may not be a perfect player but he's certainly the addition this team could use to take the next step. Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester can become a force on the blue line.

[Vinny01]

The Blues gave up a 1st round pick in a deep draft it is no surprise that they lock him up long term

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Blues gave up a 1st round pick in a deep draft it is no surprise that they lock him up long term

Doubling down on your mistake is what keeps the lights on in Las Vegas.


Signing Stajan as the key player joining the Flames in the Phanuef deal to a long term deal sure worked out for the Flames.

[Ezio]

Wow excellent contract for a legit #1 defender. I hope Phaneuf gets a similar contract with the Oilers next year.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by ezio

wow excellent contract for a legit #1 defender. I hope phaneuf gets a similar contract with the oilers next year.

YES!!! PLEASSSSe!!!!!

[CsInMyBlood]

So glad it isn't the Flames that signed Bouwpilon to a 5 year extension.

So he is 29 now, has this next season + 5 years after that, and he got a NTC on his extension as well. Hahaha.

St. Louis will regret this contract.

[Fire]

Bouwmeester has failed to prove he is a guy you can win with. They should have save the money for a winner.

[Vulcan]

I watched Bouwmeester a lot with St. Louis. I thought he played great and if he continues his play will be well worth his contract.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Last minute of a close game up 1 goal..... with the other team sending out Getzlaff/Kopitar/Kouvi /Franzen / Ladd/ Wheeler/Kane/Toews/Bickell/Hossa (big forwards who are going to crash the net) You want Bouwmeester on the ice rather than Polak and Jackman?

At the end of the game down 1 goal you want Bouwmeester out instead of Shattenkirk and Pietroangelo.

As the highest paid Blue (pending Pietroangelo's contract) the answer should be a resounding Of course!!


Is Bouwmeester any where as good as Bogosian ?? 5.1 Or Byfuglien 5.2 or hamhuis 4.5 or even Elder at 5M?



After the destruction Bouwmeester inflicted on the Flames Org I would not want him at 2M but using the above comparables his market value s/b 3M max.

One who chooses to respond with spite and unsubstantiated high drama does not enhance his viewpoint.

Bottom line is that the first time Bouwmeester ever played with an above average cast, in the NHL, he excelled.

Destroyed the Flames? Laughable.

Fifth best D on the Blues? Delusional!

[FAN]

Bouwmeester is kind of like Wideman. You can't win with him, but some team is going to be in need of a proven minute-munching defenseman and pay him around what he's making now.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by FAN

Bouwmeester is kind of like Wideman. You can't win with him, but some team is going to be in need of a proven minute-munching defenseman and pay him around what he's making now.

Wideman 581 NHL reg season games 44 playoff games..... 24 playoff wins

Bouwmeester 764 NHL reg season 6 playoff games 2 playoff wins

Wideman has a winning tradition as far as the Flames go. It was likely one of the prime reasons the Flames were motivated to overpay him as as a UFA.... he had a proven record as a top 4 d-man (if not top-2) on a playoff team.

By comparison best all-time Flame - Iginla in his 17 NHL seasons and 1232 reg season games has 69 playoff games. 33 wins.

[Reggie28]

If HRR goes up like some have predicted, this could be a steal of a deal for the Blues in 2 or three years. it is a fair contract right now for bo.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Wideman 581 NHL reg season games 44 playoff games..... 24 playoff wins

Bouwmeester 764 NHL reg season 6 playoff games 2 playoff wins

Wideman has a winning tradition as far as the Flames go. It was likely one of the prime reasons the Flames were motivated to overpay him as as a UFA.... he had a proven record as a top 4 d-man (if not top-2) on a playoff team.

By comparison best all-time Flame - Iginla in his 17 NHL seasons and 1232 reg season games has 69 playoff games. 33 wins.

Plus Wideman fits a need for this club, a right handed hard shot on the PP. We have no D-man prospects that can fill Wideman's role on the team in the future. He'll be needed for the next few years unless the Flames get lucky and draft Ekblad. Bouwmeester just eats ice time.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Reggie28

If HRR goes up like some have predicted, this could be a steal of a deal for the Blues in 2 or three years. it is a fair contract right now for bo.

According to cap geek currently 5.4M / year is the 19th highest paid d-man.


There is no one that Bouwmeester is getting paid less than that he is better than..... .

He has a hard time making it into the top-50 contribution wise. The top-50 cutover is 4M.


He played several years with Gio.... There is no measure that would show Bouwmeester better than Gio over this time.......

How is Bouwmeester getting a long term deal at 1.4M more than Gio not considered a huge overpayment?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

According to cap geek currently 5.4M / year is the 19th highest paid d-man.


There is no one that Bouwmeester is getting paid less than that he is better than..... .

He has a hard time making it into the top-50 contribution wise. The top-50 cutover is 4M.


He played several years with Gio.... There is no measure that would show Bouwmeester better than Gio over this time.......

How is Bouwmeester getting a long term deal at 1.4M more than Gio not considered a huge overpayment?

Really?

Defencemen by cap hit making over $5.4 Million (excluding Bouwmeester). I bolded those players that I think Bouwmeester (a) is currently better than, and (b) don't even have the potential to be better than Bouwmeester for the rest of their careers. Obviously my opinion, but I think a lot of board members would agree

1. Shea Weber
2. Ryan Suter
3. Brian Campbell
4. Drew Doughty
5. Zdeno Chara
6. Dan Boyle
7. Dion Phaneuf
8. Erik Karlsson
9. Mike Green
10. Kimmo Timonen
11. Brent Seabrook
12. Andrei Markov
13. Tobias Enstrom
14. Duncan Keith
15. James Wisniewski
16. Tyler Myers
17. Matt Carle
18. Oliver Ekman-Larsson

I think you could also make the argument for Boyle, Markov, and Myers. If so, that would make 10 of the top 18 cap hits that Bouwmeester is better than, making less money than any of them.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Fire

Plus Wideman fits a need for this club, a right handed hard shot on the PP. We have no D-man prospects that can fill Wideman's role on the team in the future. He'll be needed for the next few years unless the Flames get lucky and draft Ekblad. Bouwmeester just eats ice time.

We could stick a pylon out there to replace Wideman without missing a beat.

Fairly sure even Feaster and Wisebrod could find someone to replace the garbage that Wideman brings.

[flamesfan6]

a) bouwmeester is better than gio

b) bouwmeester isn't even on this team anymore, can we seriously just talk about the signing and not keep unreasonably bashing the guy, for those who think he's a horrible dman, not worth the money, etc .. it's not the flames problem anymore