[Rumour] Feaster only offering T.J. Brodie a one or two year deal.

[TurnedTheCorner]

In the post camp interview, didn't Feaster say something about a July 20th deadline for signing qualifying offers? How does that work?

[Prufrock]

I thought this was relevant. Feaster discusses working with Brodie's agent and what they're trying to do in regards to term for the contract around the 4 min mark of the above video.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

In the post camp interview, didn't Feaster say something about a July 20th deadline for signing qualifying offers? How does that work?

Pretty much, from my understanding, it doesn't matter. The qualifying offers expire on the 20th. Doesn't mean much, the team keeps the rights for anyone who they qualified but now don't even have to offer them the minimum qualifying offer past that point. So it wouldn't affect someone like Brodie who's obviously going to get more than his qualifying offer. But let's say Byron doesn't sign his qualifying offer (2-way $616,000) on the 20th and negotiations end up sour for him as they reach training camp the Flames could offer him league minimum $525,000 2-way contract and if no other team would be willing to offer more, he'd be close to out of luck.

[calgary2220]

If this team is willing to pay Butler 1.7 and a guy like Babchuk 5mil for playing 39 games over the last two years.... then Brodie is easly worth 2.3-2.5 on a two year deal. There is a no way he should sign for less than Butler is getting. If you didn't want to pay him that much, than there is no way Butler should be where he's at. I would have been OK with Butler at 1.1 not much more.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by calgary2220

If this team is willing to pay Butler 1.7 and a guy like Babchuk 5mil for playing 39 games over the last two years.... then Brodie is easly worth 2.3-2.5 on a two year deal. There is a no way he should sign for less than Butler is getting. If you didn't want to pay him that much, than there is no way Butler should be where he's at. I would have been OK with Butler at 1.1 not much more.

Not sure what the issue is for you. For 600K more than you are happy with, when we are no where near the cap...That doesn't really sound like an issue to me.

If Brody is using Butler as the bench mark that's fine, I would offer him a 1.5 this year and 1.8 next year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Not sure what the issue is for you. For 600K more than you are happy with, when we are no where near the cap...That doesn't really sound like an issue to me.

If Brody is using Butler as the bench mark that's fine, I would offer him a 1.7 this year and 2 next year.

It's simply more of the irrational Butler hate. I tend to use that as a barometer for a posters knowledge of hockey. Brodie is somewhat overrated in these parts because he's the team's best defensive prospect. It looks like he may have the future career of a top 4 NHL defenseman but nobody is ever going to confuse him for an elite defenseman. This contract will get taken care of one way or another.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's simply more of the irrational Butler hate. I tend to use that as a barometer for a posters knowledge of hockey. Brodie is somewhat overrated in these parts because he's the team's best defensive prospect. It looks like he may have the future career of a top 4 NHL defenseman but nobody is ever going to confuse him for an elite defenseman. This contract will get taken care of one way or another.

Brodie has a future as a top pairing guy, a number two. Saying he has a future as just a top four is selling him pretty short.

I truly hope I haven't fallen on the much respected Erick Estrada scale... But I'm willing to take my chances oh great arrogant lord of thy hockey.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's simply more of the irrational Butler hate. I tend to use that as a barometer for a posters knowledge of hockey. Brodie is somewhat overrated in these parts because he's the team's best defensive prospect. It looks like he may have the future career of a top 4 NHL defenseman but nobody is ever going to confuse him for an elite defenseman. This contract will get taken care of one way or another.

Funny because I use the same method for judging a poster's hockey knowledge. If anyone thinks Butler is anything other than a 6/7th defensemen then they automatically get a 0.5/10 on my scale.

Brodie, on the other hand is going to be a stud.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Brodie has a future as a top pairing guy, a number two. Saying he has a future as just a top four is selling him pretty short.

I truly hope I haven't fallen on the much respected Erick Estrada scale... But I'm willing to take my chances oh great arrogant lord of thy hockey.

Jay Bouwmeester was a top 2 defenseman. Brodie has played a lot of sheltered minutes and while he certainly looks competent there is nothing in his game that stands out. I think I am being pretty generous saying he looks to have a future of a top 4 defenseman. Top 2 is what I would call overly optimistic which is fine but I haven't seen anything from him that indicates he posesses elite offensive or shutdown skills. You are entitled to you opinion though and you just may be right if he gets a lot better.

As far as Butler we all know that he's never going to be an elite player or a top pairing guy but he's a good skater that is competent that makes only $1.7 million. Every team in the league needs those guys in their depth chart. If you never saw him play and simply used CP as a barometer you would think he was the worst defenseman to ever play in the NHL. A guy that's responsible for every goal scored when he's on the ice. Part of this is due to typical internet mob mentality where a few posters pile on a player they don't like and then others simply follow. The other part is that some posters simply don't know hockey well enough to actually spot a good or bad player.

Loot at the Phaneuf hate. If you dislike a player enough it's easy to convince yourself that he's much worse a player than he actually is.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

TJ Brodie, while young, clearly has a higher ceiling as a goaltender than as a defenceman. This should be clear to anyone whos seen him play. As such, I'm in the 'sign his short term' camp, as he is a excellent insurance policy in case Ramo doesn't work out.

And anyone who doesn't realise that Butler is in fact the current guise of an ancient shapeshifting alien clearly has no idea what they're talking about. That ability alone is worth approx $600k based on present comparables around the league (such as Brent Burns' lycanthropy, and Marc-Andre Fleury's ability to communicate telepathically with small animals).

Since I judge people's knowledge based on how closely their opinions correlate with mine, I'm a little bit disappointed with the poor quality of posters on CP. But I'm sure some of you will come around if I just keep posting the same [baloney] in every thread.

[killer_carlson]

There is widespread Butler hate on CP, but dont confuse widespread with irrational.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

TJ Brodie, while young, clearly has a higher ceiling as a goaltender than as a defenceman. This should be clear to anyone whos seen him play. As such, I'm in the 'sign his short term' camp, as he is a excellent insurance policy in case Ramo doesn't work out.

And anyone who doesn't realise that Butler is in fact the current guise of an ancient shapeshifting alien clearly has no idea what they're talking about. That ability alone is worth approx $600k based on present comparables around the league (such as Brent Burns' lycanthropy, and Marc-Andre Fleury's ability to communicate telepathically with small animals).

Since I judge people's knowledge based on how closely their opinions correlate with mine, I'm a little bit disappointed with the poor quality of posters on CP. But I'm sure some of you will come around if I just keep posting the same [baloney] in every thread.

Quoted simply because you made me laugh so hard. Thanks, I needed that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

There is widespread Butler hate on CP, but dont confuse widespread with irrational.

There's nothing to be confused about. A lot of it is irrational and has to do with the player that went the other way back in the trade.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There's nothing to be confused about. A lot of it is irrational and has to do with the player that went the other way back in the trade.

I think you might be correct with regards to some opinions being swayed by the trade, but I think most have the ability to evaluate without that playing on their minds.

We've all been able to watch Butler in every situation for a couple years now, and I will speak for most in saying he's just horribly inconsistent, and when push comes to shove and someone needs to make a key play, do NOT count on Butler to do it. He has NHL talent, but horrible hockey sense. Always in the wrong place at the wrong time. He'll be replaced either this season or next season unless he shows massive improvement.

BTW, I still look at the Regehr trade as nothing more than a $7 mill salary dump move.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Funny because I use the same method for judging a poster's hockey knowledge. If anyone thinks Butler is anything other than a 6/7th defensemen then they automatically get a 0.5/10 on my scale.

I'm hardly one to speak for the majority, but I would suspect that no one will lose much sleep at all if they are rated very low on your scale. In fact, it might be construed as a weird form of high praise.

Butler is not a top pairing defenseman by any stretch, but he is certainly better than 6/7; especially on this Flames team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I think you might be correct with regards to some opinions being swayed by the trade, but I think most have the ability to evaluate without that playing on their minds.

We've all been able to watch Butler in every situation for a couple years now, and I will speak for most in saying he's just horribly inconsistent, and when push comes to shove and someone needs to make a key play, do NOT count on Butler to do it. He has NHL talent, but horrible hockey sense. Always in the wrong place at the wrong time. He'll be replaced either this season or next season unless he shows massive improvement.

This team hasn't made the playoffs in 4 years. Who's been clutch for this organization? What defenseman has been clutch for this team over the past three or four years? Bouwmeester could never be counted on to be clutch. Giordano has been extremely inconsisten the past couple of seasons. Wideman is good offensively but we saw major defensive meltdowns in the 2nd half of last season. I simply don't think it's fair to paint Butler for not being clutch when no defenseman for the Flames has really shown the ability to rise to the occasion.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This team hasn't made the playoffs in 4 years. Who's been clutch for this organization? What defenseman has been clutch for this team over the past three or four years? Bouwmeester could never be counted on to be clutch. Giordano has been extremely inconsisten the past couple of seasons. Wideman is good offensively but we saw major defensive meltdowns in the 2nd half of last season. I simply don't think it's fair to paint Butler for not being clutch when no defenseman for the Flames has really shown the ability to rise to the occasion.

I'll put it to you this way. Cory Sarich, with his ever diminishing skill set and speed, was much more trustworthy compared to Butler. I'm saying that Butler's flaws are mental, and if he ever figured it out he could be a decent NHL defenseman. I'm not trying to give a pass to any other Flames player either...I'm simply talking about Butler's pros and cons. I'd be ecstatic if he proved me wrong, but I have a feeling he will be a borderline NHL player in a season or two.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Brodie has a future as a top pairing guy, a number two. Saying he has a future as just a top four is selling him pretty short.

I truly hope I haven't fallen on the much respected Erick Estrada scale... But I'm willing to take my chances oh great arrogant lord of thy hockey.

He could, but to say he's going to be a top pairing guy is a stretch considering how little he's played in the NHL.

[BigFlameDog]

I wish I was as "bad" at hockey as Chris Butler...some of you can talk yourselves into whatever you want but 99% of the hate for that guy is irrational and most definitely a result of who he was traded for.
He plays as expected for his salary...this isn't 1995.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Butler is not a top pairing defenseman by any stretch, but he is certainly better than 6/7; especially on this Flames team.

I would rank Wideman, Giordano, Brodie, O'Brien, and Cundari over him. I do admit I value Cundari higher than most. Russell is debatable. So I think calling him a 6/7 defenseman on the Flames is fair.