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Robbob · 07-01-2013, 07:52 AM

extremely happy with the draft...I think as a team in each draft you want to come out with at least 1 player. If you don't then it really starts to snowball and effect your prospect system. You have a couple years like that you are in trouble.

including knight, I think they might walk away with 4 to 5 guys. It helps having three first rounders, but at the end of the day if you can say you have 4 guys it is a big win. Time will tell but I am pretty optimistic.

fanman · 07-01-2013, 07:54 AM

I would agree with the general sentiments that have been posted so far. I won't claim to know anything about the players drafted out of the 1st round, but the little reading I've done so far about them has been positive.

Also a bit unsure about the 3rd, not because of the player but because of where he was drafted. Maybe could have taken him later, but who knows for sure I guess.

So much fun to watch the Flames draft 3 times in the first round. Hopefully they can round up at least 2 picks in the 1st for next year somehow.

Can't wait for prospects camp to start! It'll be interesting to see how all the first rounders especially stack up.

Husky · 07-01-2013, 08:29 AM

Id say a 8/10. Only reason is I was really hoping the Flames would manage to snag at least one 2nd round pick for a couple guys who had fallen.

Now the Flames need to offload some more guys between now and the deadline (Stempniak, Stajan, etc) and build up picks for next years draft and do it all over again.

Enoch Root · 07-01-2013, 08:33 AM

Love the strategy of forwards early and defensemen with later picks - did that last year for the mot part as well.

Fun fact: The AVERAGE size of the 8 picks + Knight was 6'2" 180 lbs. Last year the Flames were one of the smallest teams in the league - if not the smallest - and averaged 6'0".

Erick Estrada · 07-01-2013, 08:51 AM

NHL Scout Grant Sonier liked the Flames draft:

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Calgary Flames: A
After dismantling their team ahead of the trade deadline, Calgary needed to hit with their three first-round picks, and I think they did. The Flames needed size and got a big center in Sean Monahan, who has the upside to play in the top-six with high-end skill. Emile Poirier adds grit and speed -- with a knack for scoring big goals -- while displaying a great second effort in all three zones. Morgan Klimchuk is a two-way, hard-working forward who scored in junior, but he's my question mark among the Flames' top three picks and the reason I held back from giving them an A+. If he matures and adds strength, he has a chance to be a depth forward with upside as a third liner. I just think other players on the board had more to offer at No. 28, but Klimchuk does fill a need. Third-rounder Keegan Kanzig is 6-foot-7 and 245 pounds. If he plays that will be an added bonus. Like I said earlier, size was an obvious need and it was addressed.

Redlan · 07-01-2013, 09:07 AM

C+/B-
Based mostly on the fact that there was a unwillingness to adapt their draft strategy based on the dynamics of the draft. It is great to have a list, but one should be able to evaluate the list against where they believe the other teams would draft the player and react accourdenly. Sometimes you grab a player a little lower on you list because you know he is valued higher on many others, knowing that you can still draft a player you value more.
Otherwise, I am actually overall pleased with the picks and look forward to seeing them develop. In this regards it is a B+/A-.

Itse · 07-01-2013, 09:13 AM

I'll stand here with the people who don't want to give out ranks so soon.

However, feels good at this point. It's nice to have so many new prospect, and I like that we actually used our picks and didn't trade them away.

Poirier and Kanzig actually sound most interesting at this point because they're sort of the wildcards... and I frankly got a little sick of the Monahan v. Lindholm talk

There's going to be a mountain of pressure on Monahan to perform, hope he and the organization can handle it.

Enoch Root · 07-01-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlan

C+/B-
Based mostly on the fact that there was a unwillingness to adapt their draft strategy based on the dynamics of the draft. It is great to have a list, but one should be able to evaluate the list against where they believe the other teams would draft the player and react accourdenly. Sometimes you grab a player a little lower on you list because you know he is valued higher on many others, knowing that you can still draft a player you value more.
Otherwise, I am actually overall pleased with the picks and look forward to seeing them develop. In this regards it is a B+/A-.

It sounds like that might be exactly what they did. Word is that the Habs may have bee planning on picking Poirier at 25. So instead of waiting until 28 and possibly being disappointed, they made the bold move to get heir guy.

We'll never know if the Habs were in fact going to pick him. And some fans are going to believe the stories and others will not, no matter what.

But at the end of the day, what matters is acquiring NHL players. Would it honestly make you feel better about the pick if it was made at 28?

I like that they are committed to who their scouts like. And that they are willing to take them a bit earlier than consensus if they think other teams are interested. (like Jankowski last year)

Rhettzky · 07-01-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlan

C+/B-
Based mostly on the fact that there was a unwillingness to adapt their draft strategy based on the dynamics of the draft. It is great to have a list, but one should be able to evaluate the list against where they believe the other teams would draft the player and react accourdenly. Sometimes you grab a player a little lower on you list because you know he is valued higher on many others, knowing that you can still draft a player you value more.
Otherwise, I am actually overall pleased with the picks and look forward to seeing them develop. In this regards it is a B+/A-.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. It sounds risky as every team is not going off the same list. If you want a certain player and think there is a chance he could go before your next pick then you have to take him. Down the road you can evaluate if that was the right move or not. But not just because TSN had him ranked lower.

BACKCHECK!!! · 07-01-2013, 09:56 AM

6/10 Adequate, but needs improvement.

Getting a 10/10 would be the best draft possible. To me, this would have meant making moves to trade up and get Barkov, while keeping the 6th overall, or something else comparable to Burke landing both Sedins. 10/10 should mean "wow"ing the hockey world. As opposed to "Well, they didn't **** up completely."

9/10 would mean moving up into the top 4, or trading for a 1st liner, and picking up some sliders with the later round picks.

That is not what happened, however. With their three 1st rounders, they only got one guy projected to be a 1st round pick.

No, I don't evaluate prospects for a living. But McKenzie, Pronman, THN, Central Scouting, etc, all do. And they, along with every other person/group that I know of who does evaluate prospects, think that the Flames did not get the best players available to them.

Loads of people post the rhetorical question "Well if you're just going to follow the consensus, what's the point of having your own scouting staff?"

Well, what indeed is the point in having your own staff if they are no better than a dog-eared copy of The Hockey News?

badger89 · 07-01-2013, 09:58 AM

The good = drafted a center with good potential, addressed need for size and didn't draft any more goalies.

The bad = more left wingers (needed to address need at RW).

Overall, looks like a good draft. Hopefully some of our left wings can play the other side.

Dorkmaster · 07-01-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

6/10 Adequate, but needs improvement.

Getting a 10/10 would be the best draft possible. To me, this would have meant making moves to trade up and get Barkov, while keeping the 6th overall, or something else comparable to Burke landing both Sedins. 10/10 should mean "wow"ing the hockey world. As opposed to "Well, they didn't **** up completely."

9/10 would mean moving up into the top 4, or trading for a 1st liner, and picking up some sliders with the later round picks.

That is not what happened, however. With their three 1st rounders, they only got one guy projected to be a 1st round pick.

No, I don't evaluate prospects for a living. But McKenzie, Pronman, THN, Central Scouting, etc, all do. And they, along with every other person/group that I know of who does evaluate prospects, think that the Flames did not get the best players available to them.

Loads of people post the rhetorical question "Well if you're just going to follow the consensus, what's the point of having your own scouting staff?"

Well, what indeed is the point in having your own staff if they are no better than a dog-eared copy of The Hockey News?

Bob Mackenzie does not evaluate prospects, but his list is an aggregate of all of the scouts he gets.

All of the other scouting lists make mistakes too! You make it as if they have an amazing track record picking players.

http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/...try-draft.html

Maxim Mayorov at 8. Gross. Gillies ahead of Couture.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ospects_final/

Nikita Filatov at 3 ahead of Doughty. David Toews ahead of Eberle.

That was just with about 3 minutes of searching. Don't forgot amazing draft steal Patrick O'Sullivan. Damn what a steal!

No scouting report is 100% perfect. To say a team drafted poorly because they liked different players is ridiculous.

Enoch Root · 07-01-2013, 10:07 AM

Poirier plays RW (very much like Nichushkin)

dammage79 · 07-01-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Poirier plays RW (very much like Nichushkin)

Giggidy!

Super-Rye · 07-01-2013, 10:20 AM

Really like this draft for the Flames. It looks like they were targeting players who may have been overlooked because of the teams they were on.

Have to like the picks the Flames made in the first round. All 3 sounds like highly skilled, extremely competitive players who think the game at a high level and play hard in all 3 zones. Not much to complain about there.

I'm really excited to see these kids in camp to get a better read on them. It's going to be fun watching their development over the next 3-4 years.

Husky · 07-01-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by badger89

The good = drafted a center with good potential, addressed need for size and didn't draft any more goalies.

The bad = more left wingers (needed to address need at RW).

Overall, looks like a good draft. Hopefully some of our left wings can play the other side.

Poire stated he can/does play RW on his offwing.

#-3 · 07-01-2013, 10:29 AM

8,

Meh at the top of the draft, The guy everyone thought we were getting, and a couple scoring wingers.

I'm pretty happy with the bottom of the draft, with picks that would have a single digit percent of even seeing the NHL, I like the Idea of taking a Giant D-man that needs to improve his skating, or a Flight risk Russian, or a guy you like the nobody else even scouted. Thats how you find a Datsyuk, taking the guy who seems like the right pick gets you the likes of Adam Pardy if they make it.

Geeoff · 07-01-2013, 10:36 AM

I will admit I don't know much about any of the prospects selected but I am extremely happy to see us take 3 players in the 1st round of a supposedly deep draft. I definitely am happier with that scenario than bundling picks together to move up, for example.

OzSome · 07-01-2013, 11:13 AM

At first i wasn't too happy on Poirer's pick bypassing Hunter Shinkaruk but after reading some of the Flames scouting report on the guy and some of the reviews on Internet, i get to like the pick. There are some things we don't know about the guy because as a fan, we don't have the luxury of watching the guy play and we are just basing our assessment on TSN, Bobby Mac, Craig Button's and Central Scouting ranking. Those guys are hit and miss too. Anyways, I like the Monaghan and Klimchuk's pick and I guess I don't mind the Poirer's pick as well. As for the others, I don't know much about them to rate them. I guess I trust the Flames scouting staff for picking those guys. Some of them might not be ready and will take 3 or more years to play in the NHL. Some might sign with the Flames or another team in the furture. I have to give 8/10 for now.

Erick Estrada · 07-01-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

No, I don't evaluate prospects for a living. But McKenzie, Pronman, THN, Central Scouting, etc, all do. And they, along with every other person/group that I know of who does evaluate prospects, think that the Flames did not get the best players available to them.

Who said this? Everything I have read has been overwhelmingly positive. 23 teams passed on Shinkaruk so I don't see why the Flames should get criticized for it as the Leafs surely didn't for passing him up. There was a reason he was a slider and it's because he's one of the the most one-dimensional guys in the first round and isn't a big player.