Should/will Bob Hartley be fired in the off season? [EDIT: A conversation from 2013] - Page 5 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

FAN · 04-06-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

They had no problem canning Keenan a year early after his back to back playoff appearances. Not to mention his lineups some nights were only 16 players due to "cap jail"

How long is Hartley's contract? I bet it has more than one year left on it. And I'm not sure what your last point proves. It just seems to me that the team was desperate to move Kotalik's salary rather than bury him on the farm, and the rumor is that the team refused to keep part of Bouwmeester's salary even though it would have gotten the team a better return.

Frank MetaMusil · 04-06-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Fans can't point to three straight 90+ point seasons as a reason Brent is a bad coach so they grasp at straws and bring up silly things like values of players. Brent was never about individuals having career seasons. Brent was about the team playing as a team and doing the little things right. Sure a lot of players didn't have career seasons under him but the team won more games than they lost and overachieved during his tenure.

Overachieved? Brent took over a playoff team that just won the Bouwmeester "sweepstakes" and subtracted floaters like Cammalleri and Bertuzzi.

Frank MetaMusil · 04-06-2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FAN

How long is Hartley's contract? I bet it has more than one year left on it. And I'm not sure what your last point proves. It just seems to me that the team was desperate to move Kotalik's salary rather than bury him on the farm, and the rumor is that the team refused to keep part of Bouwmeester's salary even though it would have gotten the team a better return.

Kotalik played 25 games for Abbotsford. He did get buried on the farm.

My last point was that the Flames were in violation of the CBA by only icing 16 players on multiple nights when Keenan was coaching.

browna · 04-06-2013, 08:43 PM

Bottom line even if you ignore all the "meddling" and the Feaster issue...do those who think Hartley is owed another year because of a raw deal this year (sure, he's gotten one, but he took the job knowing the down low from Feaster), think that plan makes sense, to reevaluate him next year and wait and see if all the peices that we're going to change in the summer, who will be molded by him and Feaster, only to realize that it's not going to work have him punted at that point, and waste this summer?

The selling off of Iginla and the end of the Kiprusoff era means the beginning of a new era, the coach and management should be here for the next 3-5 yers. The GM who was hired to continue on with Darryl's team and coach who was brought in to get the last out of Iginla for a couple years....do you really see Hartley, let alone Feaster, here for another 5 years?

Get it done now...cut the losses, don't waste any time trying to fit square pegs into round holes for a year or two and waste those years, and just start clean off the ice so that on the ice can start clean too, IMO.

FlamesAddiction · 04-06-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Overachieved? Brent took over a playoff team that just won the Bouwmeester "sweepstakes" and subtracted floaters like Cammalleri and Bertuzzi.

It seems that people forget the hype of when B.Sutter took over the team. Many people projected that we'd improve from where we left off. I think everyone knew that the future was iffy with an aging core, but at the time, we were supposedly still in the window to compete according to many analysts and fans. The expectations didn't drop until Sutter's 2nd season.

Maybe Hartley will prove to not be the right coach and I'll support firing at that point, but it's really unfair to compare his results to Sutter's.

ben voyonsdonc · 04-06-2013, 08:55 PM

I guess the question is: What type of coach is Hartley?

Is he an Xs and Os kind of coach? Is he more of a player's coach? Is he a teacher who knows how to work with kids?

On the one hand, he has been a sacrificial lamb. He inherited an old core that needed to be ripped out and now has to deal with that fact. On the other hand, if he didn't know that the team was on the decline when he was hired, I question his judgment.

There have been a few signs of improvement this year. I'm not sold on him but unless I see that there is a coach that is a perfect fit available, I don't really see firing him as being a step forward for the team. In my opinion, we need a strong Xs and Os coach who works well as someone who is patient with kids and willing to teach them the ropes.

Hartley seems pretty laid back and comes off as a player's coach. I don't really know if that is what the team will need.

PeteLFan · 04-06-2013, 08:57 PM

One of the worst coaches to come along in a long time.

Hopefully he's canned. He has a great attitude and creates a fun atmosphere, but he can't coach worth a lick.

Mattman · 04-06-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

Bottom line even if you ignore all the "meddling" and the Feaster issue...do those who think Hartley is owed another year because of a raw deal this year (sure, he's gotten one, but he took the job knowing the down low from Feaster), think that plan makes sense, to reevaluate him next year and wait and see if all the peices that we're going to change in the summer, who will be molded by him and Feaster, only to realize that it's not going to work have him punted at that point, and waste this summer?

The selling off of Iginla and the end of the Kiprusoff era means the beginning of a new era, the coach and management should be here for the next 3-5 yers. The GM who was hired to continue on with Darryl's team and coach who was brought in to get the last out of Iginla for a couple years....do you really see Hartley, let alone Feaster, here for another 5 years?

Get it done now...cut the losses, don't waste any time trying to fit square pegs into round holes for a year or two and waste those years, and just start clean off the ice so that on the ice can start clean too, IMO.

100%! Spot on but one thing to add on. Not only should the GM and Coach go but I think Ken King should give it up. Unless he can do something to spark the organization and fan base then he's useless.

ramizle · 04-06-2013, 09:40 PM

Fire everyone!!!! Except for our new super intelligent looking Flames reporter. She's very intelligent and is doing her job well.

Manhattanboy · 04-06-2013, 09:54 PM

Time to promote Heat coach?

OffsideSpecialist · 04-06-2013, 10:21 PM

I've noticed the young guys playing a lot of minutes tonight. If that continues, I could get behind Hartley as coach.

-TC- · 04-06-2013, 10:35 PM

no

bubbsy · 04-07-2013, 08:18 AM

the flames just seem to never have the right combinations of things over the past few years.

I with they had hartley instead of b. sutter while this was a pure 'let's make a push with our vets' years. Now that the rebuild is upon us and we are going to have an influx of younger guys, i actually think B. Sutter would be ideal. Without the "playoffs or bust" mentality, i think sutter would be a good mentoring coach for our youth.

kyuss275 · 04-07-2013, 09:27 AM

At this stage of the game i am more concerend about the GM and the players on the team. No matter who the coach is next year, they need forwards that will play in all 3 zones. Feaster or whoever needs to get rid of Cammi and Tangs in the off season. If they think just getting rid of Iggy will cure the forwards own zone lapses, they are out to lunch.

Feaster will not fire Hartely. If a new GM comes in then maybe Hartely is fired. I could see a new GM come in and give Hartely 25 games next season to prove he can coach defence when all forwards play 3 zones. If he can't Hartely will be fired mid season.

Rubicant · 04-07-2013, 09:50 AM

I'm torn. I don't think Hartley is the best coach for a rebuilding team, and yet keeping him might ensure a couple of lottery picks to jumpstart the rebuild.

Ideally, King, Feaster and Hartley would be gone (or at least not have their hands anywhere near hockey decisions) and replaced with a candidate that is hired for reasons other than being convenient.

SOMBRI2 · 04-07-2013, 10:09 AM

I thought Hartley had success in junior and the AHL. I am not sure the argument that 'he can't coach and mentor kids'...he made his team in Euro better with veterans right?

Let's say we promote Troy Ward as Associate Coach and let him be in the mix for this transition. And see who deserves to be the head coach.

Sometimes I had a feeling that Harley may just resign himself...

Poe969 · 04-07-2013, 10:25 AM

I would enjoy it more if he wasn't around. I'd like to see a new coach come in to the new team. Changes are starting to be made but need to be made everywhere

Armchair Quarterback · 04-07-2013, 12:17 PM

Notwithstanding what you think of Hartley, who do you replace him with?

Two Fivenagame · 04-07-2013, 01:14 PM

Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to fire Hartley at this point but a bottom 1-5 finish should equate to some changes in the offices imho.

For starters; whomever fuelled the notion that the Flames were a playoff team the past few seasons should be let go.

Yoho · 04-07-2013, 01:16 PM

[QUOTE=Two Fivenagame;4189277]Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to fire Hartley at this point but a bottom 1-5 finish should equate to some changes in the offices imho.

For starters; whomever fuelled the notion that the Flames were a playoff team the past few seasons should be let go.[/QUOTE]

What if he owns the team?