[News] Friedman: Feaster/Flames are not going to blow it up

[KOgear]

Originally Posted by edn88

How do you get a top five pick for those guys? Who in the bottom five right now is going to trade for them?

He's saying if you trade all those guys, and our pick turns out to be top 5.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by edn88

How do you get a top five pick for those guys? Who in the bottom five right now is going to trade for them?

Probably meant the top 5 picks the Flames, so far, are heading for on their own and I would agree with him that trading all of those players would likely equal the Flames finishing in the bottom 5. They may get there even with Iginla, Kipper etc..

I'm fine with the Flames not "blowing it up" because i don't think they need to trade everybody. I too think that if you were to trade Kipper, Iginla, Cammy, maybe jbow depending on the return, and then be smart about things in the offseason they can keep the rest and stil be a competitive team next year and possibly the year after be back in the playoffs. Don't need to get rid of everybody the Flames have collected some nice pieces that can help this team now and over the next several years.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by T@T

I continue to believe this team is 2-3 pieces from being a solid team again.

Actually we're only one piece away, if that piece is a goalie with a solid save percentage. 0.915 would give us a modestly positive goal differential.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by SebC

Actually we're only one piece away, if that piece is a goalie with a solid save percentage. 0.915 would give us a modestly positive goal differential.

Your funny.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by kehatch

If this team was to trade just Cammy, Iginla, and Bouwmeester and get a top 5 pick we would have a very real chance of being competitive in the next two seasons and avoid a Edmonton style rebuild. Alternatively you lose Kipper, Iggy, and Bouwmeester for nothing and all of a sudden you are the Oilers 4 years ago.

That's the thing...this team doesnt have to ship out everyone to get back on the right path. Even just 2 key guys traded for youth/picks would be a huge step in the right direction both psychologically and operationally.

Honestly, even if they only ship out the driftwood for picks, it would be something.

But unfortunately, we just keep humming and hawing, year after year, till all our players lose both their talent and their value. It's not losing that drives me crazy, it's the whole whittling-gold-into-sh*t way of doing business that the Calgary Flames have perfected.

Even if you are too scared to make the big-boy decisions, every trade deadline gives you an opportunity to cut out the fat no matter who you are, and we never seem to take advantage. If during the last few years, they at least shipped out the periphery guys who were clearly on their way out anyway (i.e. Jokinen) and got 3rds and 4ths out them instead of didly, we would at least have more prospect depth. If you can't win with the big moves, at least make sure you're making lots of small ones....but we can't even do that.

[bluloc]

I just want Feaster to go away. He'd make a great politician, every time he speaks lies just come out. With him at the realm we'll be foreever 500. Bring some one who has the balls for change.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by bluloc

I just want Feaster to go away.

You can fire and hire 50 more GM's and Coaches, but until the management at the top of the mountain decides to go in a different direction, it won't matter one bit.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by SebC

Actually we're only one piece away, if that piece is a goalie with a solid save percentage. 0.915 would give us a modestly positive goal differential.

So you think this team would be a playoff goalie with Devan Dubnyk?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So you think this team would be a playoff goalie with Devan Dubnyk?

At his current performance level, yes.

[SebC]

Kipper's SV% is 0.867. [/season]

[Table 5]

As shaky as the goaltending has been this season, that's not where the real problems lie with this team. Great goaltending would just continue to mask the real issues up with the Flames....and has for a number of years now. Lights out goaltending may get this team to the 8th position, but that's as far as it will go because there are just too many other holes.

[starseed]

Could we see a poll of CP's current opinion on this?

[kipperfan]

Who cares about making the playoffs?? I mean really, this team has a better shot forming a baseball team and winning the 2013 World Series then they do of even having a sniff of the Cup. Sneaking into 8th place only to lose in 4/5/6 games really doesn't have any appeal to me. We are not the LA Kings, we will not surprise anyone even on the rare sideways chance this team somehow sneaks into the 8th seed. We will simply lose quickly and easily in that 1st round to a vastly superior team and delay the team actually getting good by another 2-3 years.

We haven't been an elite team in almost 25 years, it's been a constant cycle (aside from one miracle run) of either missing the playoffs or sneaking in and losing immediately in the 1st round. I am bloody sick of it. How about we finally start being honest about what this team is, and has been and finally start building from the bottom up? I would have no issue having a garbage team if I could see management's longterm vision coming together. But to continue to be a garbage team simply because our owners and/or President think maybe, just maybe we can get that mythical 8th seed and then, by golly anything can happen (!)...is enough to make me sick.

Any asset over the age of 25 with solid value should be moved ASAP. Kipper, gone. Iggy, gone. Bouw and Gio and Tanguay and Cammy, all gone. Take whatever you can get, stockpile on draft picks and young prospects with upside.

LoL, but who am I kidding? Nothing like that will occur.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I am so damn tired of people regurgitating this quote.

As long as the management team is discussing everything in an honest manner with themselves they are fulfilling that. It doesn't mean they have to be honest to the media and the fans.

The reason it keeps getting brought up is because the management appears to be in denial, and this will be the fourth straight deadline of the management in denial.

How does a team that has missed the playoffs three straight years not sell ANYTHING in that time? Jackman and TKO, two 3rd round picks right there. We as fans don't even get that satisfaction.

Their actions are what make them intellectually dishonest. (At least during the season, I have no qualms about the way this front office handles the draft and free agency. And it bothers me that they can be really successful in this area and not the other)

[kermitology]

I wake up after every Flames loss and hope to hear that Jay Feaster has been let go, but expect that a draft pick has been traded for a 30 year old former 20 goal scorer.

This team is a tease, winning a few games and drawing fans in only to lose a few and end up back in 12th.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I wake up after every Flames loss and hope to hear that Jay Feaster has been let go

Again, how is that going to change anything unless there's a clear sign that there's a philosophical shift above him as well? I don't care if you bring in Lou Lamoriello, if the mandate by the owners is to win-now at all costs, things won't change much.

Besides, without a sign that things are changing up top, what self-respecting GM would want to come into this situation?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Freeway

From my experience, you see the same people around the room after a Flames win as after a Flames loss. The mood is all that is different.

The issue isn't whether they are there after a win or loss - it's whether they are there period. From your experience, are the people Healy mentioned in the room after a game often?

The owners and especially Ken King shouldn't be hanging around the dressing room after a game on a consistent basis. I can understand the owners trying to be like Mark Cuban and trying to be involved (although it's almost always a bad idea and it works with Cuban because the guy is very progressive). But there's no reason for Ken King, the guy who everyone claims is just looking after the business side of the Flames, to be hanging around the players after a game.

[station]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I wake up after every Flames loss and hope to hear that Jay Feaster has been let go, but expect that a draft pick has been traded for a 30 year old former 20 goal scorer..

Not trying to pick on you in particular but there are lots of comments like this on here. When has this happened under Feaster? Name one time that he's given up a high pick for +30 player...

This whole debate obviously starts with Iginla. If he is traded then anything goes. The time to trade him is in his contract year at the deadline to a condending team willing to give up a lot for that chance at the cup. Nothing else makes sense. Plus there is no reason for mgmt to tip their hand before that so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until then. If he's not traded or at the very least re-signed by then I will get out my pitchfork.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by SebC

Kipper's SV% is 0.867. [/season]

I wish I could be like you - able to look at a number and determine my opinion based solely on that number without analyzing how it got to where it is. I wouldn't even have to watch the games if I did that.

Alas, I can't, as I am beholden to this strange concept called "thinking."

[Jables16]

Posted this in the PGT but it reflects my feelings on this thread as well:

It's games like this that really sap the optimism. It was last season that the Flames played the Kings at the end of the year and needed a win to stay in the hunt for playoffs, got completely neutralized and lost 3-0.

It really lays things out plainly when you play against a well-built team like LA that's just won a Stanley Cup but is still really hitting their stride with a solid core of young players. The Flames are not close to their level at all.

This isn't to say the Flames need to go scorched earth Oilers style and draft first overall for three years, but they do have to draft a lot of players and draft well. For example the Kings drafted Kopitar 11th, Bernier 11th, Voynov 32nd, Clifford 35th, Quick 72nd, Martinez 95th, King 109th, Muzzin 141st, Nolan 186th. Their highest pick was Doughty at second.

Drafting well was also instrumental in setting them up to acquire Mike Richards. Schenn was drafted 5th overall but Wayne Simmonds was a big part of that deal and was a steal at 61st overall. There's also Hickey at fourth overall but the less said about that the better.

All that being said, if Feaster watched this game and really thinks that this team can do any better than sneaking into eigth and getting stomped in the first round he's lying to himself and doing the fans a disservice. If he trades our first round pick I will have lost all confidence in him and hope for him to be fired (unless the trade is somehow an absolute slam dunk win in our favour). Whatever the case I will be eagerly awaiting the trade deadline as it should really show where the team is headed for better or worse.