Obama urges court to overturn California same-sex marriage ban

[Dion]

[T@T]

Originally Posted by mrvee

It's not natural. But, it also goes against the created order of God who made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth. Homosexuality cannot carry out that command. It is, therefore, a contradiction to God's stated desire in the created order.

Ladies and Gentleman we have witnessed a true miracle, a reincarnation!

calgaryborn is alive and "almost" well.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Dion

Most of the crazy #### is in the Old Testament. And Christians were released from following these covenants. Their morality need be based on the teachings of the New Testament.

New Testament on homosexuality:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex..._New_Testament

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by kirant

Should we also follow the second bolded statement?

Also this God fellow never says that two women marrying isn't bad

Because it saves two men from a lot of earache.

Probably.

[Itse]

The gay marriage discussion makes it hard for me to not view religions as something adults should not concern themselves with. The whole question about what the Bible says about it just gives people a chance to argue about basicly academic questions without the necessary skills and knowledge. In other words, it makes everyone look bad.

[driveway]

The Bible says a lot of things, and not very clearly.

[Caged Great]

[Itse]

I thought this was an interesting idea.

http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/002675.html

I suggest we stop calling these people Christians and start calling them something that befits their faith, inclinations and enthusiasms. I say we call them Leviticans, after Leviticus, the third book of the Old Testament, famous for its rules, and also the home of the passages most likely to be thrown out by Leviticans to justify their intolerance (including, in recent days, against gays and lesbians -- Leviticus Chapter 18, Verse 22: "Thou shalt not not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination").

To suggest that a Christian is actually a Levitican is not to say he or she is false in faith -- rather, it is to suggest that their faith is elsewhere in the Bible, in the parts that are easy to understand: The rules, the regulations, all the things that are clear cut about what you can do and what you can't do to be right with God.

[GaiJin]

I'm not against gay marriage, but I do have to ask what where the societal limits are when it comes to marriage? If I replace the word homosexual with another taboo, do the the same arguments for gay marriage still apply?

[Devils'Advocate]

I think you are going to have to specify "taboo".

Polygamy and polyandry are what naysayers against gay marriage said would happen if it were allowed. I think that may be the next one to fall as, again, it falls into consenting adults wanting to form a legal bond.

But beyond that, what taboos are we talking about? A guy marrying his sister? A grown woman marrying a 12 year old? Beyond those limits, I can't think of any others that need be in place.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

I'm not against gay marriage, but I do have to ask what where the societal limits are when it comes to marriage? If I replace the word homosexual with another taboo, do the the same arguments for gay marriage still apply?

Such as?

If you define marriage as the legal union between two consenting adults for the purpose of living as a single family unit, there aren't really any other scenarios that would still be illegal.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by T@T

Ladies and Gentleman we have witnessed a true miracle, a reincarnation!

calgaryborn is alive and "almost" well.

I don't think so. I didn't agree with anything that guy said, but he wasn't a moron.

[troutman]

Minnesota Senate approves same sex marriage.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...mesex-marriage

12th state, first in the mid-west.

[SeeBass]

^so should we expect Michelle Bachman's husband to file for divorce

[chemgear]

[HOOT]

The only issue with that poll is that they only polled 62 players from all 4 sports, not a great sample size to claim what they are claiming. But glad the NHL players are leading the way.

[Devils'Advocate]

I think that mostly has to do with hockey players coming from Canada and Europe while baseball players come from countries with a stronger Catholic influence like Mexico. The NFL surprised me though.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I think that mostly has to do with hockey players coming from Canada and Europe while baseball players come from countries with a stronger Catholic influence like Mexico. The NFL surprised me though.

I don't think that's why. For one thing, it wouldn't explain why the NBA is almost exactly the same as the MLB.

The other thing is that gay marriage is legal in several Mexican states, as well as in parts of South America. It's legal in Uruguay, Spain, Argentina, Portugal, Belgium and France which are mainly Catholic countries. Civil unions between same-sex partners are also legal in Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Ireland, Croatia, and Slovenia, which again, are mainly Catholic countries. Poland and Italy are the only mainly Catholic countries (and micro-states Monaco, Andorra, San Marino and Malta) in Europe that have no same-sex union laws. The three most populous countries in South America (all Catholic) allow for forms of same-sex unions.

There is no link between being Catholic and not supporting laws of equality. I am not saying that all Catholics like gay marriage, but there is a difference between not liking it and thinking it should be illegal.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

For one thing, it wouldn't explain why the NBA is almost exactly the same as the NBA.

I think it's because they're the same league.

[Daradon]

I'm surprised there is as much pushback in France right now as there is. Always figured the French to be on of the most liberal nations in the world. And Quebec definitely seems to be the most liberal province in Canada.

Of course, I have read that the Catholic Church is behind the organization of a lot of these anti-gay marriage rallies.