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Stay Golden · 02-15-2013, 10:24 PM

Hartley just bench Comeau for the love all that is Holy bench Comeau. Keep Babchuk and Butler in the press box and Sarich in a jersey.

Joborule · 02-28-2013, 10:08 PM

After tonight's game, it seem Flames can only score goals if they give up a lot of easy ones. Hartley hockey so far reminds me a lot of Keenan hockey. More structured, but still the same.

Why can't Flames have a mix of both offense, and defense? It's either or season in, season out. I don't understand why the team is so atrocious defensively. Not to mention another thing from Keenan time is an PP that can look downright awful multiple times in games.

opendoor · 02-28-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

After tonight's game, it seem Flames can only score goals if they give up a lot of easy ones. Hartley hockey so far reminds me a lot of Keenan hockey. More structured, but still the same.

Why can't Flames have a mix of both offense, and defense? It's either or season in, season out. I don't understand why the team is so atrocious defensively. Not to mention another thing from Keenan time is an PP that can look downright awful multiple times in games.

It takes a very good team to do both which is why only great teams have excellent goal differentials. Though history seems to show that if you can only have one that a strong defensive team that doesn't score much will generally fare better than a team that can score but that plays loose defensively. Uptempo hockey without the elite players to support it is rarely successful.

orr444 · 02-28-2013, 10:21 PM

As far as I'm concerned Hartley made some big errors in coaching tonight.
Also many players just didn't compete.

First off people are screaming about Jarome not playing well and or scoring. Tonight he gets 2 and is looking dangerous and what does Hartley do after a a flames pk, he puts out Comeau, and then, he throws out lazy Glencross.

Why not put out the guy who has 2 goals? Strange coaching then in the last min he takes him off again and puts out Glencross again with Stempniak.

Couple those moves with guys who don't seem to want to get involved physically or seem to have no drive e.g. Bouwmeester, Wideman, Glencross and Comeau.

Show some drive, heart, desire if not get some guys who will, Good luck Mr Feaster!!

calgarybean · 02-28-2013, 10:25 PM

Fine with Hartley...players are accountable. More step in the Flames this year than the last few. The coach is not the scapegoat you are looking for.

kyuss275 · 02-28-2013, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarybean

Fine with Hartley...players are accountable. More step in the Flames this year than the last few. The coach is not the scapegoat you are looking for.

Yep. The coach is saying the same things the other coaches said about this team. It's time to stop blaming coaches.

browna · 02-28-2013, 10:29 PM

3 of the 5 tonight we're off neutral zone rushes, as opposed to pressure in the Flames zone. The defense today was a bit soft at the worst time, the rebounds a tired MacDonald gave off were in the right spot for the Avs. I've seen worse team defense this year.

I have a problem with Hartley's comments about seeing this last year. His buddy Jay built last years team too and his given him the players. Meritocracy, playing a different style, not being the same team and not looking or playing the same as past years teams, were all phrases or basic ideals the Hartley and Feaster vowed to anyone who listened.

Now Hartley is basically saying he's seeing the same thing as last year? What happened to changing the mindset of the team and kicking some asses so it didn't happen like this again?

Dime_On_Flames · 02-28-2013, 10:29 PM

One thing that i've learned about Hartley that is if you get in his good books you can do no wrong to screw that up. But on the other hand, if you're in the dog house it seems impossible to get out.

Glencross and Sven are prime examples of both.

Hells Bells · 02-28-2013, 10:29 PM

Hard for fans not to blame the coach when the players are never held accountable.

It's time Feaster stops talking and starts gutting this rotten core.

puckluck2 · 03-01-2013, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Hard for fans not to blame the coach when the players are never held accountable.

It's time Feaster stops talking and starts gutting this rotten core.

Feaster sure loves to talk.

"We see O'Reilly as a franchise player"

Adjust your glasses than because he isn't even close to a franchise player.

Frank MetaMusil · 03-01-2013, 01:47 AM

Jesus, Hartley deserves at least 82 games of action.

Sutter got 246 and the Flames reaped nothing with his awesome coaching.

Kaine · 03-01-2013, 02:07 AM

So far I like Hartley less than any Flames coach in the past decade or so, well maybe an even tie with Brent. That said I think he deserves a full season (not a short season either) to make me eat crow.

I strongly disagree with a lot of his decisions tho. Not putting certain players on the PP despite how bad the PP has looked the last while and nothing about it changes? Not benching players that are just outright awful (Comeau and Smith to name a couple) and not giving out more opportunities to those playing well. It's easy to sit back and be an arm chair coach with all the answers, but I don't think many will argue that he's made some pretty questionable calls this season.

Oh and no I don't think he should be canned while this core is around (even if he still fails to impress several seasons from now) as this team is a trainwreck and NO coach will be able to fix this mess as it sits now.

nik- · 03-01-2013, 02:14 AM

I don't even care about the coach at this point. The coaching experiments have been varied enough to lead me to believe that it doesn't matter.

Let Hartley do his thing. The only thing I'm a little worried about is the Sven's ice time because I think he deserves more, along with some PP time. Other than that, meh.

Erick Estrada · 03-01-2013, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Jesus, Hartley deserves at least 82 games of action.

Sutter got 246 and the Flames reaped nothing with his awesome coaching.

I think he should get next season for sure but I'm not sure he's long for this team especially considering how many head scratching moves he's made. If the fans are wondering WFT you would have to think the owners are as well.

Take last night for instance. The team is flying in the first perior particularily the Cervenka, Hudler, Bartschi which looked as good as it's looked since the beginning of the season. Hartley pretty well staples Sven to the bench for the rest of the game and that line dies as well as the rest of the team. He seems to make changes for the sake of changes wether things are going good or bad. It certainly didn't work out last night.

Poe969 · 03-01-2013, 08:06 AM

he's just another mistake this franchise has made.... But we knew what we were getting when we got him. He likes to play the same "top guys" over and over and just part of the "win now" association.

If this team doesn't change things, this is the kind of team we're going to have.