Iginla Wants To Remain A Flame

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

How is it terrible? If he long past his peak numbers why does he consistently end up near the top of the scoring statistics league wide? If you base it on stats, which is all I did, Iginla is still outperforming Datsyuk. I think Datsyuk is great and would take him on my team in a second, but I would also take Iginla in the same breath.

Just because YOU say Iginla is one dimensional doesn't diminish his value to the Flames. Iginla is, was and will always be paid to score. He has done exactly what is asked of him. Again, I only used Datsyuk as a comparison so people could get their heads around the fact that Iginla is not really diminishing in ability.

You love the guy and I can't fault you for that but it's clouded your mind to his ultimate value to NHL teams at this stage of his career. Iginla's current contract pays him to score 40+ goals and 80+ points which is a feat he hasn't accomplished in two of the past three years. I have no issue with paying him the going rate for a 30 goal/65 point player which is between $4.5 and $5 million but this team simply can't afford to overpay for Iginla's based on his past accomplishments.

Also it's not just ME calling him one dimensional. Open your eyes kid.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You love the guy and I can't fault you for that but it's clouded your mind to his ultimate value to NHL teams at this stage of his career. Iginla's current contract pays him to score 40+ goals and 80+ points which is a feat he hasn't accomplished in two of the past three years. I have no issue with paying him the going rate for a 30 goal/65 point player which is between $4.5 and $5 million but this team simply can't afford to overpay for Iginla's based on his past accomplishments.

Also it's not just ME calling him one dimensional. Open your eyes kid.

Long way from "kid" and not a Flames fan. Iginlas contract pays him within the top 30 players in the league, which by scoring stats he has been for at least the last 4 years, even with only 65 points.

If they can sign him to the numbers you suggest that would be great for the Flames, but I am sure his agent will roll out the stats showing he is still within the top 5% of scorers in the league and should be paid accordingly.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Long way from "kid" and not a Flames fan. Iginlas contract pays him within the top 30 players in the league, which by scoring stats he has been for at least the last 4 years, even with only 65 points.

If they can sign him to the numbers you suggest that would be great for the Flames, but I am sure his agent will roll out the stats showing he is still within the top 5% of scorers in the league and should be paid accordingly.

Iginla should be paid according to what he's likely to accomplish in the future, not what he has produced in the past. And just as his last four years weren't as productive as the four years before that, his next four won't be as productive as the most recent four.

Then, of course, there's the matter of culture change. Some of us have seen an unhealthy, comfortable culture around the Flames in recent years. Slow starts. Resistance to coaching systems. Star players only wanting to play one side of the puck. Folding when the going gets tough. Hard to see any of that changing unless the leadership changes.

Watching an aging star play out the string on a bad team won't be as much fun as some expect it to be. Just ask Leafs fans.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You love the guy and I can't fault you for that but it's clouded your mind to his ultimate value to NHL teams at this stage of his career. Iginla's current contract pays him to score 40+ goals and 80+ points which is a feat he hasn't accomplished in two of the past three years. I have no issue with paying him the going rate for a 30 goal/65 point player which is between $4.5 and $5 million but this team simply can't afford to overpay for Iginla's based on his past accomplishments.

Also it's not just ME calling him one dimensional. Open your eyes kid.

Not based on the numbers driveway posted

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by valo403

Not based on the numbers driveway posted

His numbers are skewed because he's picked out players that are getting paid in expectations that their career years are still ahead or a maintained pace. Only Joe Thornton is a real comparable player given point in his career and Heatley's career is on a nosedive. It's reasonable to expect that Iginla in 2013 may score 25 goals and 55 points which is pretty close to Glencross numbers. If Iginla has a good 48 games I'm fine with paying him $6 million for 2013 and $4.5, then $4.0 but what if he has a terrible 48 games? Can you affort to mortgage that kind of money for a player that may be on a massive decline? Honestly there were stretches in 2011/2012 where he just wasnt' very good and it's hard for me to believe he's going to do anything but get worse in the next couple of seasons.

[Tinordi]

Iginla's apparent unwillingness to play the coaching system of Sutter along with his aversion to defensive play should make irrelevant any comparison to the contracts and play of Yzerman later in his career.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Iginla's apparent unwillingness to play the coaching system of Sutter along with his aversion to defensive play should make irrelevant any comparison to the contracts and play of Yzerman later in his career.

Sutter's system was pretty crappy though. It wasn't Babcock level for sure.

[atb]

Can anyone remind me of some examples where a player was traded at the deadline then signed with the original team in the offseason?

This would be a win win scenario for the Flames and Iginla. Some free assets to help the building process and Iginla signs his last contract with the Flames and gets a shot at a cup. Obviously this scenario only occurs if the Flames aren't in the playoff race.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by atb

Can anyone remind me of some examples where a player was traded at the deadline then signed with the original team in the offseason?

This would be a win win scenario for the Flames and Iginla. Some free assets to help the building process and Iginla signs his last contract with the Flames and gets a shot at a cup. Obviously this scenario only occurs if the Flames aren't in the playoff race.

Recchi and Weight were traded to Carolina and then went back to the Penguins/Blues respectively. Tkachuk also went back to St Louis after a stint with the Thrashers.

If this were to happen with Iggy... I don't even know if I'd want him to come back, honestly. The page has been turned. He'd have his ring, the Flames would be moving in a different direction. Would you do that with a relationship? Because being together breaking up then getting back together seems unhelpful.

We'll always love Iggy. If it's time to move on, it's time to move on. But let's see how the team actually looks on the ice first.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Iginla's apparent unwillingness to play the coaching system of Sutter along with his aversion to defensive play should make irrelevant any comparison to the contracts and play of Yzerman later in his career.

Yup.

The problem with Iginla is that he still has managed to hold on to the reputation that he's a complete player. He certainly was in his prime, but he's clearly sacrificed other areas of his game to maintain his scoring pace. He's not really a physical presence anymore. He isn't solid defensively and blows the zone too early. He's become a downright terrible puck possession player who relies too much on the rush to generate offense and is hemmed in his own zone frequently. There's still a lot of things he does well (namely his shot), but if it wasn't for his reputation of being a complete player he'd be the kind of guy we all complain about for putting up an "empty" 30 goals.

The problem with Iginla is that he's hardly a comparison to guys like Sakic and Yzerman who aged wonderfully because he isn't as solid in all facets of the game. There's not much for him to rely on anymore if he stops scoring at the same rate. That's the risk in giving him 4+ years so he can end his career here.

[EddyBeers]

Brett Hull is a much better comparable to Iginla than Yzerman.

[EVERLAST]

Iginla played his best hockey for Darryl Sutter.

He had teammates the are now Flames management.

Martin Gelinas said he was the best Captain he ever played with!!

Conroy said.......I cannot possibly type all of it ...just believe me.

Iginla will get his cup under Hartley....I feel it in my old stuperstitious bones....book it Danno!!

Just please for 2013 Iggy.......no nights off....love ya but lets get this done.

[Fire in the disco]

The guys 35 and probably has 6 seasons left in him. Lets see how he performs in his contract year before crucifying him. Also, calling him one dimensional is laughable. Personally I hope Hartley uses him on the PK as well as double shifts him a-la Mike Keenan when the game is on the line and we need a big goal. Can't wait to see his game under Bob and Gelly

[minnow]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Long way from "kid" and not a Flames fan. Iginlas contract pays him within the top 30 players in the league, which by scoring stats he has been for at least the last 4 years, even with only 65 points.

If they can sign him to the numbers you suggest that would be great for the Flames, but I am sure his agent will roll out the stats showing he is still within the top 5% of scorers in the league and should be paid accordingly.

Some of Iginla's detractors on this site have been saying the same old things for years. I expect they'll be right eventually.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by RobDoupe

Iginla should be paid according to what he's likely to accomplish in the future, not what he has produced in the past. And just as his last four years weren't as productive as the four years before that, his next four won't be as productive as the most recent four.

Between 03-04 and 07-08 (4 seasons) Iginla put up 332 points.

Between 08-09 and 11-12 (4 seasons) Iginla put up 311 points. Which is a whopping drop-off of 6%.

If he drops off 6% over the next four years, he'll put up 291 points. If good value for an all-star, perennial 70+ point player ranges between $80,000/point and $100,000/point. Iginla's next contract should be between 23 million and 29 million.

However, he is getting older, let's accelerate the pace of his decline to 12% - then he'd hit 272 points, which should put him in a contract range between 21 million and 27 million.

Even if you double THAT rate of decline to 24%, 236 points would be the expectation for Iginla over 4 seasons, which means a contract between 18.9 million and 23.6 million.

Anything in the neighbourhood of 20-25 million for 4 seasons is beyond fair for Jarome Iginla.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by driveway

Between 03-04 and 07-08 (4 seasons) Iginla put up 332 points.

Between 08-09 and 11-12 (4 seasons) Iginla put up 311 points. Which is a whopping drop-off of 6%.

6% drop off is nothing especially considering three of those years were spent in "dead puck" Brent Sutter era.

Nice work digging up those numbers. Sure points towards Iggy continuing to be a fairly productive player.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by driveway

Between 03-04 and 07-08 (4 seasons) Iginla put up 332 points.

Between 08-09 and 11-12 (4 seasons) Iginla put up 311 points. Which is a whopping drop-off of 6%.

If he drops off 6% over the next four years, he'll put up 291 points. If good value for an all-star, perennial 70+ point player ranges between $80,000/point and $100,000/point. Iginla's next contract should be between 23 million and 29 million.

However, he is getting older, let's accelerate the pace of his decline to 12% - then he'd hit 272 points, which should put him in a contract range between 21 million and 27 million.

Even if you double THAT rate of decline to 24%, 236 points would be the expectation for Iginla over 4 seasons, which means a contract between 18.9 million and 23.6 million.

Anything in the neighbourhood of 20-25 million for 4 seasons is beyond fair for Jarome Iginla.

Well you really can't argue with those stats. And because I can't make a stats based argument about Jaromes' skills declining i'm gonna go with the whole "he is a terrible leader" thing. It must be true because Jim Playfair loosely implied it a couple of years ago.

[christoph186]

I can`t picture him playing for anyone else. 4 years, 18.5M.

[CrumpyGunt]

3 years 15m, sounds about right upon further consideration..
maybe 4 for 21m max..
He's been overpaid for a while (by about 1-1.5m), now he should be ok with being underpaid around that much..

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by CrumpyGunt

3 years 15m, sounds about right upon further consideration..
maybe 4 for 21m max..
He's been overpaid for a while (by about 1-1.5m), now he should be ok with being underpaid around that much..

Well the list of overpaid NHLers is actually about 750 names long. So I guess you have a point.

But in relative terms, 7 million a season for the last decade is perhaps the most owner friendly rate of any superstar player. Look what he has done compared to others in his price bracket.

3 years/15 million. So right in line with guys like Hemsky, Ruuttu and Grabovski? Ya sounds about right.