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Old 01-04-2013, 02:15 PM   #81
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I completely disagree. This guy isn't getting screwed over any more than anyone else who decides that they have the ability to do what they choose without any consideration for the law. You cannot contract around law, we both know that, but somehow this guy figured he could.

And the state is in the right to not support this child when there is a person out there who should be. Why should the state as a collective pay for a child that this goofball brought into the world via this ridiculous scheme?
Isn't this making a bit of an assumption that this guy was willingly and deliberately circumventing the law? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that. For all we know, he may have very well thought that the contract he signed would be legally sufficient to absolve him of financial responsibility for the child.

And I'm still not sure why mom #2 is getting off the hook so easily. There isn't much information regarding this in the article, but can it not be assumed that she and her partner were in an adult interdependant relationship of some sort and that she would have been a guardian of the child. Surely she would have participated in the day to care care of the child and would have been a large part in this child's upbringing.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:38 PM   #82
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Isn't this making a bit of an assumption that this guy was willingly and deliberately circumventing the law? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that. For all we know, he may have very well thought that the contract he signed would be legally sufficient to absolve him of financial responsibility for the child.

And I'm still not sure why mom #2 is getting off the hook so easily. There isn't much information regarding this in the article, but can it not be assumed that she and her partner were in an adult interdependant relationship of some sort and that she would have been a guardian of the child. Surely she would have participated in the day to care care of the child and would have been a large part in this child's upbringing.
None of that matters. You can't contract around the law and ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

As for Mom #2, I agree. It is curious that she seems to be getting off the hook.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:45 PM   #83
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Ben Swinnen, one of Marotta's attorneys, said his 46-year-old client cannot be declared the father of Schreiner's now 3-year-old daughter because of the written agreement with the two women. He pointed to laws in nine states that say a sperm or egg donor is not the parent of a child conceived through artificial reproduction.

"The state of Kansas is lagging behind in following the trend," he said. "It is a freeze, in my opinion, on artificial insemination and alternative family settings."

But the Kansas Department for Children and Families, which started pursuing Marotta in October, argued in a court filing Wednesday that at least 10 other states require a doctor's involvement in artificial insemination for a sperm donor to be protected from having to pay child support.
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As for Mom #2, I agree. It is curious that she seems to be getting off the hook.
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When Bauer and Schreiner filed for state assistance in Kansas this year, the state demanded the donor's name so it could collect child support for the now three-year-old girl.

When Bauer was diagnosed in March with what she calls "a significant illness" that prevents her from working, Schreiner sought health insurance for their daughter from the state.
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Buddy should have just jerked off into a sock.
Just gonna leave this here. (I guess you may also want to incinerate the sock afterwards )

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7024930/

Phillips accuses Dr. Sharon Irons of a “calculated, profound personal betrayal” after their affair six years ago, saying she secretly kept semen after they had oral sex, then used it to get pregnant.

He said he didn’t find out about the child for nearly two years, when Irons filed a paternity lawsuit. DNA tests confirmed Phillips was the father, the court papers state.

Phillips was ordered to pay about $800 a month in child support, said Irons’ attorney, Enrico Mirabelli.
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A) The state has good reasons for encouraging that donors and the donation procedure are carried out by doctors, not homemade insemination clinics. The first, and most obvious, is the public health factor. I don't think there's any possible way to argue against that. The second, is the certainty it provides. As others have pointed out in this thread, a contrary standard opens the door to abuse via false claims. This standard make sit very clear who and who isn't eligible for paternity.

B) Ignorance of the law is no excuse, again this is something you know well. These people had the capacity to construct this contract, they also had the capacity to find out if it was legal.

C) No, he is not entitled. Paternity does not grant you a inalienable right to custody (I don't know Kansas law, but I don't know of anywhere where that is the case). He'd have the right to petition for it, and the court would have the right to look at the circumstances and make a decision.
A) Kansas believes it has good reasons other states do not. So to say the State has a good reason is questionable. The state has a law, yes, but that doesn't mean it is a good law. The fact that other states have allowed this type of arrangement to be legal at least throws the law into question.

B) We do not know if he had the capability to find out the laws regarding whether or not a doctor had to perform this procedure. And why would you check should a common law contract be sufficient. Isn't it reasonable (not smart) to think that an agreement on how a child can be raised and who it is raised by should be the decision of the people producing it and not the state? To me and at least 10 other states it is.

C) This is a huge double standard. That on one hand he would immediately become financially liable but wouldn't be guaranteed partial custody is ridiculous if it is his kid and his responsibility it is his kid. If not it isn't. The fact that in one case the court could use discretion and in the other case cannot use discretion is unfair.

The purpose of the law appears to be to avoid paternity disputes. In this case, the contract has ensured that there was a clear understanding of paternity, and there is no dispute. So in this case the goal of the law was accomplished. If there was a dispute over paternity in this case then throwing out the contract might make sense but with no one contesting it the state is just trying to offload its bills to a charitable person.
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