A common critique of the ACA would be that employers would cease to provide coverage once it was mandatory that their employees obtain it anyway.
Congressional Republicans put out a report earlier this year estimating that the largest 100 companies could save $422 billion over the next decade if they declined to offer insurance.
A Towers-Watson survey of 512 large companies found exactly zero planning to drop insurance coverage.
Shocking News:
Girl that co-wrote Obamacare bill is hired by a pharma company set to profit from the bill:
Fowler then returned to Senate Finance in 2008 to work for Sen. Max Baucus, who chaired the committee, which was becoming Action Central for health reform. Fowler and Baucus pretty much wrote the bill that became Obamacare—and which, we should note, did not include a proposed “public option,” which was popular with ordinary people but not the insurance companies that lobbied hard to make sure it was out of the mix.
For her services Fowler was rewarded with yet another government job, as deputy director of the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services. In her HHS job she had to “balance” the interests of consumers and insurers. Then this week Politico’s Dave Levinthal and Anna Palmer had a scoop: Fowler is returning to the private world, this time to a senior level position leading global health policy at Johnson & Johnson’s government affairs and policy group.
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The pharmaceutical giant that just hired Fowler actively supported the passage of Obamacare through its membership in the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) lobby. Indeed, PhRMA was one of the most aggressive supporters—and most lavish beneficiaries—of the health care bill drafted by Fowler. Mother Jones’ James Ridgeway proclaimed “Big Pharma” the “big winner” in the health care bill. And now, Fowler will receive ample rewards from that same industry as she peddles her influence in government and exploits her experience with its inner workings to work on that industry’s behalf, all of which has been made perfectly legal by the same insular, Versailles-like Washington culture that so lavishly benefits from all of this.
Shocking News:
Girl that co-wrote Obamacare bill is hired by a pharma company set to profit from the bill:
Fowler then returned to Senate Finance in 2008 to work for Sen. Max Baucus, who chaired the committee, which was becoming Action Central for health reform. Fowler and Baucus pretty much wrote the bill that became Obamacare—and which, we should note, did not include a proposed “public option,” which was popular with ordinary people but not the insurance companies that lobbied hard to make sure it was out of the mix.
For her services Fowler was rewarded with yet another government job, as deputy director of the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services. In her HHS job she had to “balance” the interests of consumers and insurers. Then this week Politico’s Dave Levinthal and Anna Palmer had a scoop: Fowler is returning to the private world, this time to a senior level position leading global health policy at Johnson & Johnson’s government affairs and policy group.
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The pharmaceutical giant that just hired Fowler actively supported the passage of Obamacare through its membership in the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) lobby. Indeed, PhRMA was one of the most aggressive supporters—and most lavish beneficiaries—of the health care bill drafted by Fowler. Mother Jones’ James Ridgeway proclaimed “Big Pharma” the “big winner” in the health care bill. And now, Fowler will receive ample rewards from that same industry as she peddles her influence in government and exploits her experience with its inner workings to work on that industry’s behalf, all of which has been made perfectly legal by the same insular, Versailles-like Washington culture that so lavishly benefits from all of this.
Quote one of my posts where I supported republicans. Please do
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lol nice way to twist my words, you must be a liberal?
I said IF he cares he can find it on this forum, IF he doesn't well that's too bad.
He's still not going to care even if I type out everything again, is he?
Lastly, I do search information and opinions from the other side of the fence. I know what the argument from your side is. I think that's normal, in fact it is necessary to know opponents position. But you guys couldn't be bothered, so tell me why should I be bothered?
I'm pretty sure he supported Ron Paul and Paul is a Republican. On second thought maybe Paul isn't right wing enough for him.
The thing is there should be rules and regulations against what FoL posted but since FoL doesn't believe in rules and regulations for the economy, he doesn't have a point.
Yes, among all existing candidates, I'd have picked Ron Paul, you know the ONLY guy among all Democrats and Republicans who is against a cozy relationship between private business and big government. Ron Paul is a lone voice among Republicans and to equate his support to support of the whole party is silly and you know it.
The Yes We Can man is in bed with the most powerful interest groups in the US and yet my posting is the problem lol. If this happened under Romney or Bush administration, you guys would be tripping over yourselves to express your outrage, yet when the We Are Different guy does it, the board is awfully quiet after virtually every non-leftie has either been banned or gave up on posting.
I guess dressing up the bill as "pro-people" is good enough, gotta give credit to Democrats, they know how to pander to their target group and package their crap in a fancy wrapping paper so the base swallows it up.
Yes, among all existing candidates, I'd have picked Ron Paul, you know the ONLY guy among all Democrats and Republicans who is against a cozy relationship between private business and big government. Ron Paul is a lone voice among Republicans and to equate his support to support of the whole party is silly and you know it.
The Yes We Can man is in bed with the most powerful interest groups in the US and yet my posting is the problem lol. If this happened under Romney or Bush administration, you guys would be tripping over yourselves to express your outrage, yet when the We Are Different guy does it, the board is awfully quiet after virtually every non-leftie has either been banned or gave up on posting.
I guess dressing up the bill as "pro-people" is good enough, gotta give credit to Democrats, they know how to pander to their target group and package their crap in a fancy wrapping paper so the base swallows it up.
Well I'll go this far with agreeing with you, the American political system has gone to the crapper because it's been bought and sold to big business. The only difference between the two parties is that one has completely sold out while the other has only partially sold out.
The difference between us is that I don't believe in giving business carte blanche to run things however they want. I believe they need controls like everything else in our society otherwise their greed rules. Have a look at Itse's post to see how big business is set up to fail if they continue with their strategies. No one will be able to afford their products.
Well I'll go this far with agreeing with you, the American political system has gone to the crapper because it's been bought and sold to big business. The only difference between the two parties is that one has completely sold out while the other has only partially sold out.
The difference between us is that I don't believe in giving business carte blanche to run things however they want. I believe they need controls like everything else in our society otherwise their greed rules. Have a look at Itse's post to see how big business is set up to fail if they continue with their strategies. No one will be able to afford their products.
Yes, because companies make biggest profits when no one can afford their products....?
The only reason why these companies can get away after they screw the consumer left and right is because of their partnership with the government. Believing in effective controls is a pipe dream, because these controls are humans and humans always respond to $$$ just like this example shows. For the company, the cost to grease few wheels is negligible compared to benefits they receive.
The only effective control is the market, where if you piss off your customers you will fail and no protection from the government will save you (bailout, favorable legislature, mandatory purchase of your products (insurance), your guys drafting up the law, etc).
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Last week, the GOP-controlled state Senate and House each passed right-to-work measures over the opposition of Democrats in both chambers, enraging union activists and leaders, and sparking heated protests in the state Capitol. Gov. Rick Snyder (R) has said he will sign a right-to-work measure if it comes to his desk. Snyder’s stance marks an about face; he had previously said that right-to-work was not on his agenda.
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If the measure passes and is signed into law as expected, it looks like it would be difficult to overturn. In Ohio last year, Democratic activists successfully overturned a measure to curb collective bargaining, but in Michigan, spending bills can’t be overturned via referendum. Since an appropriation was tacked on, the Michigan right-to-work measure would fall under that umbrella.
Activists have already said they will explore the possibilities of trying to recall Republican legislators and Snyder (though, the governor faces reelection in two years, and Democrats might well keep their focus on defeating him then) if the measure passes. In Wisconsin, Democrats waged a wide-scale recall effort Republicans and Gov. Scott Walker (R) after he signed a 2011 measure to curb collective bargaining. Democrats gained ground in the state legislature, but did not dislodge Walker from power last year.
A narrative gaining currency among Rick Snyder's defenders explains his flip-flop on right-to-work legislation as a reluctant response to labor unions who put Proposal 2 on the November ballot over the governor's objections, then refused to bargain with good faith with him afterward.
But the truth? Snyder hasn't gotten much respect from the groups backing right-to-work, either.
Americans For Prosperity, founded by billionaire tea party titans David and Charles Koch, is heralding Michigan's imminent passage of right-to-work legislation laws in Michigan as "the shot heard around the world" in the fight to weaken unions.
But the group was also a significant financial backer of Proposal 5, an effort to amend the Michigan Constitution to bar tax increases without a two-thirds legislative supermajority.
So why would Snyder turn from labor unions to a group that was behind a constitutional amendment he described as "bad public policy"?
The answer may lie in another Koch-funded group, the American Legislative Exchange Council, which promotes a radical right-wing agenda in states across the country, supplying "model legislation" to sympathetic lawmakers.
The organization boasts more than 2,000 legislative members. It also has corporate members, who weigh in on the model legislation before it's approved by the group's public-sector committee, the group's national chairman said in an interview he gave after dozens of pieces of ALEC-written model legislation were leaked last year in a joint project by The Nation and the Center for Media and Democracy.
Michigan's proposed right-to-work bills mirror the ALEC language practically word-for-word.
The delegation said they were particularly upset by the fact that right-to-work would allow employees to receive all the benefits of union representation, without paying any dues.
“The union is required by law to provide equal benefits to every member of that bargaining unit, whether they join or not,” Levin said.
“They’re required to provide equal benefits to everyone. We’re not sure he fully, frankly, understood that.”
The Michigan delegation said they would continue to push for federal money and projects for the state, but they couldn't predict how other members of Congress might act.
"When this national story really breaks, it’s going to make it harder for us to get support from some of our colleagues," Sen. Levin said.
A couple of hours after meeting with the delegation, Snyder signaled his continuing support of the right-to-work bills when he tweeted, "Freedom to work is all about creating more and better jobs in Michigan."
Yes, because companies make biggest profits when no one can afford their products....?
The only reason why these companies can get away after they screw the consumer left and right is because of their partnership with the government. Believing in effective controls is a pipe dream, because these controls are humans and humans always respond to $$$ just like this example shows. For the company, the cost to grease few wheels is negligible compared to benefits they receive.
The only effective control is the market, where if you piss off your customers you will fail and no protection from the government will save you (bailout, favorable legislature, mandatory purchase of your products (insurance), your guys drafting up the law, etc).
The problem with market theory is it doesn't apply to healthcare because their is little ability to actually 'choose' healthcare once you get beyond the basic local doctor level.
If you have cancer you can't 'shop around' or 'think about it', you are limited by the massive cost and limited options available and private health insurance.
Once you accept the need for private health insurance you are basically just buying a ####ty version of state healthcare.
Yes, because companies make biggest profits when no one can afford their products....?
The thing is that these companies temporarily make big profits but as wages go down, their products no longer become affordable. They are short sighted because of their greed.
