Tattoos and Cops

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

fair enough Ill stick with harley and or lifted truck, and add a yukon danalli with spinners in leiu of the mustang

I can accept the rest of your sweeping generalizations. Carry on.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by valo403

No you can't, you might come to a personal conclusion about someone based upon appearance alone but it is almost certainly going to be inaccurate.

You are truly remarkable.

Guy wearing a Flames shirt - I bet he's a Flames fan.

Guy with a Swastika tattoo - I bet he's a racist.

Etc.

You can derive a ton about somebody based on how they look. What planet are you even on to suggest otherwise? This is particularly true of people with specific styles - goth, hippy, outdoorsy, skater, punk, country, etc. People present themselves a certain way because they want to be interpreted a certain way.

I don't get you one bit, valo403.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Rathji
So what would you guess about a guy with a tattoo of a cupcake?

How about a trumpet?

Picture of an old guy.

an alligator?

Dog?

Would any of those people make good or bad police officers?

Judging someone's ability to do a job based on ink they have in their skin, seems ridiculous to me.

[Table 5]

Calgary is not really the type of place where people care about how you look or what image you put out. Citizens here lease their Audi's and BMW's purely for their enthusiasm of german engineering.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Serious question. So if you had Valo403 tattooed on your body and I saw you in public, would I be wrong to judge that you live in or lived in the Calgary area and listen to HIM?

Would that be one of those "almost certainly" inaccurate conclusions you're talking about?

Perhaps you need to re-read what Silver was replying to in the first place:

You think you can judge how someone is as a person based on their appearance?

To which he (she? I never get this right) said of course you can.

You'd be right about those characteristics of me (although somewhat dated now, eagerly awaiting a new album) but that has very little to do with who/how I am as a person. It's a very small detail, maybe it would allow you to strike up a conversation but that's about it. Tattoos can certainly give you some vague insights into what a person likes or maybe some of their personal history, but the majority of them aren't going to tell you who someone is as a person. At the extremes that may be the case, I'd say that a couple of thunderbolts on someones neck says who they are as a person, but most tattoos are just going to give you a jumping off point, if that.

I don't even have a tattoo, but I have a lot of friends who do and it's shocking how off I would be on them as people if I made a judgement based solely on their ink.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So what would you guess about a guy with a tattoo of a cupcake?

How about a trumpet?

Picture of an old guy.

an alligator?

Dog?

Would any of those people make good or bad police officers?

Judging someone's ability to do a job based on ink they have in their skin, seems ridiculous to me.

I guess a guy with a cupcake tattoo likes cupcakes. A guy with a cupcake on his forehead has bad judgement.

Are we done pretending people don't judge people by their actions? I don't even see what is wrong with that. If you're tattooing cupcakes on yourself, you are telling the world something about you that is - for better or worse - somewhat open to interpretation. If you don't want to be judged by your tattoos, don't get tattooed.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You are truly remarkable.

Guy wearing a Flames shirt - I bet he's a Flames fan.

Guy with a Swastika tattoo - I bet he's a racist.

Etc.

You can derive a ton about somebody based on how they look. What planet are you even on to suggest otherwise? This is particularly true of people with specific styles - goth, hippy, outdoorsy, skater, punk, country, etc. People present themselves a certain way because they want to be interpreted a certain way.

I don't get you one bit, valo403.

Being a Flames fan does not define you as a person. At least I hope it doesn't, because there would need to be a lot of people on suicide watch around here the last few years.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Sliver

If you don't want to be judged by your tattoos, don't get tattooed.

I wish I could thank this a thousand times over. Well said.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I guess a guy with a cupcake tattoo likes cupcakes. A guy with a cupcake on his forehead has bad judgement.

Are we done pretending people don't judge people by their actions? I don't even see what is wrong with that. If you're tattooing cupcakes on yourself, you are telling the world something about you that is - for better or worse - somewhat open to interpretation. If you don't want to be judged by your tattoos, don't get tattooed.

I don't think you understand the discussion, or at least you're having a different one.

[YYC in LAX]

Wow people. We never said judging people is an exact and perfect science. Yeah obviously there's grey areas. Never said there wasn't. However, to think you absolutely CAN'T judge people on their appearance or tattoos is actually ignorant. Yeah I used the word ignorant on you.

If you're talking about whether or not it's morally permissible, then that's a different topic.

[Rathji]

Actually, you are right. I assumed you were talking about something related to the thread we were posting in, but I guess you are just talking about tattoos in general.

You can judge people for any number of things that they do to themselves, but that doesn't mean that you are correct. Also, of all the things you could possibly get from that judgement, almost none of them would be directly related to performing the job of a police officer, even if they were true.

[afc wimbledon]

If a guy had a cupcake tattoed on his arm I wouldn't hold it against his abilities as a cop, realistically though I never see guys with a full sleeve of pastries, I always see flaming skulls with lighting bolts or naked chicks riding skeletal horses etc, my personall favourite was a zoombie hooker nun with her nipples showing through her torn habit. It made no sense on so many levels.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Wow people. We never said judging people is an exact and perfect science. Yeah obviously there's grey areas. Never said there wasn't. However, to think you absolutely CAN'T judge people on their appearance or tattoos is actually ignorant. Yeah I used the word ignorant on you.

If you're talking about whether or not it's morally permissible, then that's a different topic.

So your argument is that it is possible to judge people? Wow, yeah that's ground breaking right there.

Of course it's possible, but the fact is that basing your judgment solely on appearance is going to get you a dossier of pretty useless information 99% of the time.

[Rathji]

I actually brought up the cupcake because I know a guy, who has cupcake tattoos, who is applying to CPS right now.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If a guy had a cupcake tattoed on his arm I wouldn't hold it against his abilities as a cop, realistically though I never see guys with a full sleeve of pastries, I always see flaming skulls with lighting bolts or naked chicks riding skeletal horses etc, my personall favourite was a zoombie hooker nun with her nipples showing through her torn habit. It made no sense on so many levels.

I kid you not, but I have a very good friend who has just that. It's phenomenal.

Edit: Apparently there are 2 of them, because my friend is definitely not applying to CPS.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I actually brought up the cupcake because I know a guy, who has cupcake tattoos, who is applying to CPS right now.

Where is his cupcake tattoo? If it's on his head, then yes, that's relevant to his application with CPS. If it's on his bicep, then no, it shouldn't matter. If it's somewhere else that will be seen by the public, it's a factor that should be weighed in his application, but depending on the location maybe it shouldn't be the determining one.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Actually, you are right. I assumed you were talking about something related to the thread we were posting in, but I guess you are just talking about tattoos in general.

You can judge people for any number of things that they do to themselves, but that doesn't mean that you are correct. Also, of all the things you could possibly get from that judgement, almost none of them would be directly related to performing the job of a police officer, even if they were true.

Hah, yeah, imagine talking about tattoos and people's judgement who get them - along with the way in which random strangers interpret those same tattoos - in a thread about people with tattoos applying for a job with the CPS. I can really see why you and valo403 are befuddled by my comments from way out in left field.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Calgary is not really the type of place where people care about how you look or what image you put out. Citizens here lease their Audi's and BMW's purely for their enthusiasm of german engineering.

lol

[Nage Waza]

I dont think anyone here is arguing about first impressions; we certainly are arguing if the impression one gets from appearance is accurate.

Calling a rose a rose is not the debate either (has flames jersey likely a fan). This debate is more about seeing a canucks jersey on so therfor he is a ###### (although we like to pretend it to be).

There is very little we ever know about someone based on appearance.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

@undercoverbrother Settle down there AP English guy.

No, I never said it's a direct reflection. Relax.

My original post(s) made fun of tribal tattoos. Nage basically said someone's tattoos "pretty much means nothing as to how they are as a person."

That is pretty much exactly what I said and it is true. If you seriously think that every dude that looks like a Jersey Shore cast member is a ###### you are wrong. It is certainly fun to think so but it is still not true.

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

I couldn't disagree more. There's a stereotype that goes along with tribal tattoos and that stereytope is douchbagery.

Absolutely, but are you having issues reading or simply understanding? This is not about stereotypes, this is about fact. Someone may seem to appear to fit a stereotype, but it certainly does not mean the person is in fact that 'type of person'. A stereotype is what you think of someone, not what they are.

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

If anyone out there has a tribal tattoo they can be assured there people are out there making fun of them behind their back everywhere they go. Not everyone, but people like me.

Probably true, but I think the points people are making are flying way over your head.

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

LOL, I'm pretty sure this guy's choice of tattoo is a reflection of what he's all about:

Nope, this is his choice of fashion, which in his neck of the woods may be perfectly reasonable. That dude could be anything from a med student to a run of the mill ######nozzle. Only those that really know him could tell you.