Bulking while active with sports activites????

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by trew

In page 1 of the article you link, the second "Key Point" is

And in case anyone wants to jump on the fact that this key point doesn't say "during and after" exercise, the article does mention in the contents that:

So, given all of this, if I said that in order to gain muscle a person needs to
a) Train muscles to the point of breakdown and repair and
b) eat enough extra calories to maintain their body mass given the extra energy requirements of training.

Would you disagree?

If not, then I think this may be a semantic argument about whether "eating more calories to support muscle growth" does or does not mean the same thing as "eating maintenance calories to support activity level". Does it really matter?

At the end of the day, both involve eating more food.

That's exactly what I'm saying. You need sufficient calories / macro / micro nutrients to repair the muscle, but anything extra will not help. Extra calories are all stored as fat, not muscle.

The idea that extra calories = more muscle in addition to the adipose seems to be very pervasive on the internet.

Like what backcheck said:

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

If they eat a hypercaloric diet, most people will gain muscle mass faster than if they eat a maintenance diet.

[Matata]

Is drinking sugar water a good idea to help bulk up? Is there any difference between drinking soda vs iced tea mix? People say to avoid 'empty' calories, but I don't know exactly what they mean. Will trying to get extra calories this way work against me some how? Or do people just say this because 'empty' calorie foods are generally bad for you?

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

That's exactly what I'm saying. You need sufficient calories / macro / micro nutrients to repair the muscle, but anything extra will not help. Extra calories are all stored as fat, not muscle.

The idea that extra calories = more muscle in addition to the adipose seems to be very pervasive on the internet.

Like what backcheck said:

Do you even lift?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Matata

Is drinking sugar water a good idea to help bulk up? Is there any difference between drinking soda vs iced tea mix? People say to avoid 'empty' calories, but I don't know exactly what they mean. Will trying to get extra calories this way work against me some how? Or do people just say this because 'empty' calorie foods are generally bad for you?

Not sure if serious

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

This is idiotic. Muscle hypertrophy is not dependent on an excess of calories. Muscles require a certain amount of things to reach their full potential; enough protein and other macro/micro nutrients. Exceeding these will not help. That's why it's called a hypercaloric diet. You're getting too much of something.

Not dependent, but an excess of calories will help. Also, it really depends on your goals. Have you ever met a true strongman? They aren't lean (unless they're using heavy amounts of steroids, but that's a seperate story).

I'd suggest reading through Mark Rippetoe's books. One of the first things he suggests is drinking an extra gallon of whole fat milk everyday.

It's possible to put on muscle and gain strength while staying lean, but it's not optimal. You will put on muscle faster and gain strength faster if you are "bulking". IE putting on a mixture of both fat and muscle. Hormones like insulin not only encourage your body to store fat, they also encourage your body to put on mass in general, including muscle.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by blankall

Not dependent, but an excess of calories will help.

No they won't. I linked evidence. Where's your evidence? I don't care what you think, you didn't even know that the mechanisms of heart disease are known.

Originally Posted by blankall

I'd suggest reading through Mark Rippetoe's books. One of the first things he suggests is drinking an extra gallon of whole fat milk everyday.

There are books about chemtrails and conspiracies. Does that mean the content is true? No. I don't care who he is or what he's done; anecdotal evidence is the lowest form.

Does he reference studies? Post them.

Originally Posted by blankall

It's possible to put on muscle and gain strength while staying lean, but it's not optimal. You will put on muscle faster and gain strength faster if you are "bulking". IE putting on a mixture of both fat and muscle. Hormones like insulin not only encourage your body to store fat, they also encourage your body to put on mass in general, including muscle.

No you won't.

It seems that the only thing the people on the "bulking" side of the argument can bring to the table is repeating themselves. You must all have fatty deposits in your brains from all the gallons of whole milk you've been drinking.

And I've yet to even mention the dangers of rapid weight gain / change, the fact that it's much harder to lose fat once it's gained, and the health problems associated with "bulking".

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

Do you even lift?

Do you even read?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

That's exactly what I'm saying. You need sufficient calories / macro / micro nutrients to repair the muscle, but anything extra will not help. Extra calories are all stored as fat, not muscle.

The idea that extra calories = more muscle in addition to the adipose seems to be very pervasive on the internet.

Like what backcheck said:

Let's say you don't workout much. You eat amount X per day. Now you start working out 3 days a week. You're burning more calories no? You're needing to repair muscles that didn't need repair before? So you should be eating more than X? Not sure how you can disagree with that? Seems pretty common sense. No one is saying eat way more than you need.

[rogermexico]

The part where one guy said "You're an idiot" and the other said "I'm a doctor" kind of settled my rooting preferences here.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Do you even read?

I'll take that to mean "too busy reading exercise studies to actually lift".

[Matata]

Originally Posted by valo403

Not sure if serious

Unfortunately, serious. Everything I dig up on the subject only says that avoiding sugar-water helps you loose weight (duh), but I can't find anything on how it affects bulking up.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by valo403

Not sure if serious

Unfortunately, serious. Everything I dig up on the subject only says that avoiding sugar-waters helps you loose weight (duh), but I can't find anything on how it affects bulking up.

[likwid888]

Originally Posted by Matata

Unfortunately, serious. Everything I dig up on the subject only says that avoiding sugar-waters helps you loose weight (duh), but I can't find anything on how it affects bulking up.

You should go google the basics of nutrition.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

No they won't. I linked evidence. Where's your evidence? I don't care what you think, you didn't even know that the mechanisms of heart disease are known.



There are books about chemtrails and conspiracies. Does that mean the content is true? No. I don't care who he is or what he's done; anecdotal evidence is the lowest form.

Does he reference studies? Post them.



No you won't.

It seems that the only thing the people on the "bulking" side of the argument can bring to the table is repeating themselves. You must all have fatty deposits in your brains from all the gallons of whole milk you've been drinking.

And I've yet to even mention the dangers of rapid weight gain / change, the fact that it's much harder to lose fat once it's gained, and the health problems associated with "bulking".



Do you even read?

Mark Rippetoe knows what he is doing. That's all I'm going to say.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Matata

Is drinking sugar water a good idea to help bulk up? Is there any difference between drinking soda vs iced tea mix? People say to avoid 'empty' calories, but I don't know exactly what they mean. Will trying to get extra calories this way work against me some how? Or do people just say this because 'empty' calorie foods are generally bad for you?

I'm also not sure if you're being serious here. Bit of a mind-boggling post.

Empty calories basically refers to food with little to no actual 'good' nutritional value. Like most junk food. High in sodium, sugar and simple carbs. Very little nutritional value, and just causes unhealthy blood sugar spikes.

There is a ton of information out there on how your body responds to the types of food you can eat. Bit strange that people don't educate themselves.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by blankall

Mark Rippetoe knows what he is doing. That's all I'm going to say.

No kidding.

There is a huge difference in reading about some study and the scientific results behind it, and actually going out there and training athletes and watching how they respond to different diets, programs and methods.

Joe Defranco trains some of the best athletes in the US, and he also advocates a surplus calorie diet if you want to bulk.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Matata

Unfortunately, serious. Everything I dig up on the subject only says that avoiding sugar-water helps you loose weight (duh), but I can't find anything on how it affects bulking up.

Effectively empty calories are calories that offer no nutritional value. Like pop, it's just sugar. Sure you get carb's, but not good ones.

My main bulking food is milk. I drink .5-1 gallon a day (you gain lots of fat, but I needed the weight).

Hit your macros and have a surplus of calories and you'll gain weight (and muscle). Macros = carbs, protein, fats.

[hesh329]

The biggest thing when it comes to food and weight gain is you need to think of food as information. The idea of calories in and calories out dated now. Its more about when to eat your food. Protein helps to build muscle, complex carbs tell you to retain fat through the release of insulin, good fats can actually help you lose weight and are needed for the nervous system and organs when training. It is all about intereaction, timing and how you train. Dr. John Berardi is really cuttting edge and has a lot of information on his website. As for working out avoid isolated body building exercises, instead focus on full body exercises, deadlifts are better than squats (squats load the spine and if you are not careful it will tend to round your back, if you do squats do front squats way better for hockey), chin ups, push ups (do not start bench if you cannot do a push up) always start simple and own every movement. Lots of weight and bad movement is the worst thing you can do. Also avoid crunches Dr. Stu Mcgill has put a lot of research out there about now doing traditional crunches.

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[blankall]

Originally Posted by hesh329

The biggest thing when it comes to food and weight gain is you need to think of food as information. The idea of calories in and calories out dated now. Its more about when to eat your food. Protein helps to build muscle, complex carbs tell you to retain fat through the release of insulin, good fats can actually help you lose weight and are needed for the nervous system and organs when training. It is all about intereaction, timing and how you train. Dr. John Berardi is really cuttting edge and has a lot of information on his website. As for working out avoid isolated body building exercises, instead focus on full body exercises, deadlifts are better than squats (squats load the spine and if you are not careful it will tend to round your back, if you do squats do front squats way better for hockey), chin ups, push ups (do not start bench if you cannot do a push up) always start simple and own every movement. Lots of weight and bad movement is the worst thing you can do. Also avoid crunches Dr. Stu Mcgill has put a lot of research out there about now doing traditional crunches.

Just as easy to destroy your spine doing deadlifts. Possibly more so. The natural tendency for people is to round their back when reaching down to pick something up. The deadlift is actually a very technical lift to do properly. Wouldn't recommend it without proper training.

[hesh329]

Yes you are correct however if you do it correctly its a great corrective exercsise. Gray Cook and Mike Boyle who is one of the most respected swear by it. The biggest thing is do not do too much weight and If you are new to the gym my advise is to grab a kettle bell and do goblet squats. It works similar muslce and patterns as well as being safer, once you cannot hold the weight its time to move on to deadlifts. The biggest key is start simple, own the movement, do not be in a rush, do not compare yourself to soemone else just worry about your progress. End of the day its alot about taking things one step at a time and starting simple.