You would. But if you lived in the Palestinian territoires you might not have that luxury.
I would imagine the average Palestinian is treated much worse by Hamas militants than by Israelis, yet when you include a lifetime of propaganda aimed at training people to hate Israelis then of course, Israelis are terrible people. As long as Israel is nervous of terrorists, the strip will certainly be treated under some form of heightened Israeli security. This is a win win for Hamas, the longer the people live in this state, the more they hate Israel.
These are the issues that prevent peace from happening, and even worse, people like you continue to demonize Israel rather than actually trying to help.
If the people threw out Hamas, then perhaps there would have been peace already. Don't forget, Israeli willfully left the Gaza strip in the hopes of advancing peace, instead the PA was kicked out by Hamas.
I played soccer with two Iranian refugees who would probably have a compelling argument as to why you shouldn't think that. I guess their family picked the wrong type of Muslim to be and lost their house and business because of it. One brother snuck out through to Pakistan and the other through to Israel.
I played soccer with two Iranian refugees who would probably have a compelling argument as to why you shouldn't think that. I guess their family picked the wrong type of Muslim to be and lost their house and business because of it. One brother snuck out through to Pakistan and the other through to Israel.
I think the true test is if people immigrate to a country and the extent of minority rights. Do people move to Iran? Probably not and probably minimal minority reights. Do people move to Canada? Do people move to Israel? Very likely.
The Baha'i faith seem to be the focus of Iranian anger and so moving to Israel, or anywhere else Western is a great move.
Also, I would like to point out that Canada getting a pat on the back from Ben Nutso-yahoo cant be a good thing. Wouldnt that just piss off the Iranians even more? It was an irresponsible knee-jerk reaction from the Canadian government. Why provoke them?
It Doesn't leave Canadian prisoners with a feeling of confidence either. The government just said "To hell with ya, you're on your own." The whole situation reminds me of this:
From what I understand it was a safety issue in removing our Embassy and staff. It could be an omen of things to come, I don't think it was done in haste.
also why would we care if we piss of Iran? Iran doesn't want to play ball anyways. The problem with Iran getting nuclear weapons isn't that they are going to attack us or even Israel, the problem is, is that they are a terrorist state and could give the bomb to terrorist organizations such as al Queda.
Yeah, I love giant concrete security walls. Reminds of the golden age in Berlin. Oh and I love governments that raid ships in neutral waters without proper cause. Oh and their invasive settlements in the West Bank are super awesome.
But I'm sure you'll just tell me that all these things are justified because all the nations around them hate them.
Honest question - have you been to Israel personally?
So far all I have read from your posts is you are anti Israel and will twist anything around to make them appear bad and terrorists appear good. If you have not noticed, Iran has been labeled a terrorist state. Israel has built giant security walls to prevent missiles from killing people. And Israel did raid a ship, and was justified for it. But you seem to enjoy the terrorists, now don't you?
The settlements certainly suck, but from the Israeli perspective, if there is no other person to negotiate with, then Israel will continue developing their country.
The West Bank was captured by Israel from Jordan during the six day war, so why isn't Jordan disputing this? They have a peace treaty, a peace treaty signed while Israel still claimed the West Bank. Jordan basically left that area to Israel. Had the people living in the West Bank simply enjoyed the freedom and prosperity associated with living within Israel, they would be much better off and at the same time disliked by the rest of the arab world. Iran and other regimes wouldn't put up with that, so terrorism stepped in.
You see, Israel is not perfect, they are doing the best they can in a very problematic region, but according to you they are the devil in the region.
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So now you are saying Israel is a terrorist state. Who are they terrorizing? Are there any acts of defense reasonable against an army that hides amongst innocent civilians? Virtually all of Israeli military operations are done to minimize civilian casualties, but of course you will now argue that.
Yes. I hate Israel. (Please note, the rolling eyes smilie denotes sarcasm)
I never said they were the devil. Who are you? Ezra Levant? Save your sensationalist garbage. I was merely pointing out that Israel isn't perfect. But because it is backed by the United States and the rest of the West, it gets a free pass for behaviors that aren't that dissimilar from so called rogue states.
I also take offense to being told that I enjoy terrorism. In fact the case is quite the opposite, hence why I am willing to say things about Israel's actions with the International System that you have taken issue with.
Oh and if you actually read my post again, I never called Israel a terrorist state. I said some have made I case for that. But I wasn't sure I would go that far.
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It seems that if you criticize Israel, you're labelled an anti-Semite.
On the other hand, if you criticize the Islamic faith, you're labelled a Zionist.
It's a lose-lose situation either way.
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Nage Waza is a "Criticism of Israel = anti-semite" type ... you gotta be careful.
You guys aren't exactly criticizing Israel's tax rate, health services or commitment to the fine arts. When Israel comes up on this forum it's always about human rights issues. I'd feel as protective of Canada if people were making the same claims about it.
Now you just went from "equal" in your last post to "up to debate" in this post.
That's how you respond, by focusing on semantics? Does it really matter if its 50/50 or 60/40 in the blame game? Both sides are guilty enough that's been a multi-decade conflict.
Here are a couple of questions that maybe you (or anyone) can answer directly.
Why, as a Canadian, should I be sending tax-payer money to the middle east (whether it's Israel, Iran, Iraq, Syria etc)?
Why is it more important than spending that money elsewhere (wether to help true nations in need, or hey, Canadians)?
How does our support benefit the average Canadian?
What does a country like Israel give back to Canada in return for their support?
Do you see any long-term solution to the conflict where both sides will be satisfied and peaceful?
No both sides are not equal. One routinely calls for the destruction of the other and refuses to recognise the other as a nation. One side funds terrorist groups. One side has historically started every war the other side has had to fight. The disputed territories are a direct result of those wars.
Why do you trash on Israel like that?
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Yes. I hate Israel. (Please note, the rolling eyes smilie denotes sarcasm)
I never said they were the devil. Who are you? Ezra Levant? Save your sensationalist garbage. I was merely pointing out that Israel isn't perfect. But because it is backed by the United States and the rest of the West, it gets a free pass for behaviors that aren't that dissimilar from so called rogue states.
I also take offense to being told that I enjoy terrorism. In fact the case is quite the opposite, hence why I am willing to say things about Israel's actions with the International System that you have taken issue with.
Oh and if you actually read my post again, I never called Israel a terrorist state. I said some have made I case for that. But I wasn't sure I would go that far.
You made a statement about Israel and their human rights being sickening, which as I am sure you know is false and inflammatory. You choose to ignore all the good of the country and make them out like they are all bad. If you read your posts you have tread right along the path of accusations and sidestepped you making the accusation yourself.
Like I have asked already, why don't you state the human rights issue in Israel and explain what is sickening.
Sounds like you moved to Canada from another country, I hope it is better here than from where you came from (or was that another poster, I forget?).
Nage Waza is a "Criticism of Israel = anti-semite" type ... you gotta be careful.
That card has already been used in this thread already, so take your hateful posts elsewhere. Criticism of Israel is fine, using slanderous hateful commentary is not.
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