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Old 08-14-2012, 02:38 PM   #81
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:38 PM   #82
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With all the economic problems going on with the EU right now i'm sure the last thing France would want is a territory that can rack up a huge deficit in a short time.
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I miss the days when Alberta's largest export wasn't smugness.
Yes those were glory days alright, like when the Trudeau government siphoned 100 billion out of Alberta. Good times man, good times.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:39 PM   #84
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That's the one thing that bothers me about separation. I would hate to see France get a toe into NA.
Even accepting the preposterous the idea that Quebec would become some sort of vassal state to France, or even crazier, actually join the state of France, I struggle to understand what sort of geopolitical nightmare would result from having one of Canada's closest allies as a neighbour in North America.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:47 PM   #85
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Yes those were glory days alright, like when the Trudeau government siphoned 100 billion out of Alberta. Good times man, good times.
Oh yes, poor Alberta. Still suffering, with the highest standard of living in the country, and one of the highest standards of living in the entire world, under the iron fist of a program that ended 25 years ago. Boo hoo.
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I am tired of Quebec's crap, especially the PQ. We need to go back to older laws and stop being so democratic with this party. What they are preaching is treason in my eyes, Quebec belongs to Canada. Quebec should receive no special treatment over any other province and they also have zero right to try and seperate. If the province tried to seperate I would hope the big wigs in Ottawa would send in the military to end that b.s.
There's also this thing called the Clarity Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarity_Act

Originally proposed by Manning and the Reformers for which they, of course, were pilloried by the Liberals and the lefty media back in the day. Fast forward 10 years and essentially the same legislation was passed by the Cretien and, guess what, it's was all good now, being enacted by super progressive Liberals and all. What a country!
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There's also this thing called the Clarity Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarity_Act

Originally proposed by Manning and the Reformers for which they, of course, were pilloried by the Liberals and the lefty media back in the day. Fast forward 10 years and essentially the same legislation was passed by the Cretien and, guess what, it's was all good now, being enacted by super progressive Liberals and all. What a country!
The difference of course is that The Clarity Act was only enacted after, and was based on, a reference question to the Supreme Court of Canada.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:57 PM   #88
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If Quebec actually did split, it would be a financial disaster for them their economy would collapse in short order. Other provinces would certainly not follow suit unless they wanted to orchestrate their own demise.
For a long time I have believed that every seperatist in Quebec is aware of this fact but every time they whine and scream "we" throw more money at them.

As far as I know, there really hasn't ever been a feasible plan put together for Quebec to seperate. They would want to use Canada Post, our military, our dollar. Their share of the National Debt, assuming the rest of Canada was not willing to let them off, would cripple them before they ever got off the ground.

Again, I think they all know this. I've always wondered why the rest of Canada hasn't yet just "stood up" and said: "Fine, go!" just to see what would happen!
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Oh yes, poor Alberta. Still suffering, with the highest standard of living in the country, and one of the highest standards of living in the entire world, under the iron fist of a program that ended 25 years ago. Boo hoo.
And to think of how MUCH higher our standards of living could be if we could wheel and deal like Quebec!
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Trust me. I've been there. France is welcome to them. Two barren wind swept rocks with no resources except fishing.
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Also, I don't think many Canadians in the ROC actually would like to see Quebec separate (or Sovereignly Associate). We would just like some honesty and recognition among the chattering classes in Quebec City and Ottawa about how things currently get funded in this country and who truly has the best deal within confederation. They could also lose the insane sense of entitlement and the tendency to be so diligent in finding something, anything to be offended about with such regularity.
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And to think of how MUCH higher our standards of living could be if we could wheel and deal like Quebec!
We should totally just seperate from any province who is slowing us down by not having a giant swamp of petrochemicals under their territory!
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Trust me. I've been there. France is welcome to them. Two barren wind swept rocks with no resources except fishing.
You say that now... wait until they find oil in their territorial waters.
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They could also lose the insane sense of entitlement and the tendency to be so diligent in finding something, anything to be offended about with such regularity.
Wait, are we still talking about Quebec, or are we talking about Alberta now.

Honestly, I love Alberta. I was born and raised here. But so many of the criticisms levied against Quebec by Albertans could just as easily be applied to Alberta. (The similarities may be why I love Quebec too?)
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I've always wondered why the rest of Canada hasn't yet just "stood up" and said: "Fine, go!" just to see what would happen!
Quebec is bluffing, everyone knows it. The only reason this has not occurred is so far no elected leader wants to be at the helm when it happens. To be clear, I am not advocating that Quebec be given the heave ho.
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We should totally just seperate from any province who is slowing us down by not having a giant swamp of petrochemicals under their territory!
No need to go off the deep end, no one is saying that.
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Quebec is bluffing, everyone knows it. The only reason this has not occurred is so far no elected leader wants to be at the helm when it happens. To be clear, I am not advocating that Quebec be given the heave ho.

No need to go off the deep end, no one is saying that.
Lucien Bouchard did in 1995....and he lost.
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You say that now... wait until they find oil in their territorial waters.
If they find oil under those territorial waters, they will have found even more under ours.

I think we should do our best to repatriate St. Pierre et Miquelon, but not at any price.
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Wait, are we still talking about Quebec, or are we talking about Alberta now.

Honestly, I love Alberta. I was born and raised here. But so many of the criticisms levied against Quebec by Albertans could just as easily be applied to Alberta. (The similarities may be why I love Quebec too?)
Not true at all. Alberta does not demand (that is a mild term to describe Quebec) special treatment, a special clause in the constitution, special recognition. In fact if you really think about it, the people of Alberta are extremely forgiving. Imagine the outcry in Quebec if the federal government had fleeced them and outright screwed them over like Alberta was.
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Lucien Bouchard did in 1995....and he lost.
I should have said federal leader.
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Lucien Bouchard was the federal seperaion leader seeing as he was leader of the opposition in 1995 with the Bloc Quebecois. The Parti-Quebecois, of which he became the leader of (and subsequentially Premier) in 1996, is the provincial seperation party.
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Lucien Bouchard was the federal seperaion leader seeing as he was leader of the opposition in 1995 with the Bloc Quebecois. The Parti-Quebecois, of which he became the leader of (and subsequentially Premier) in 1996, is the provincial seperation party.
So what is your point exactly.
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