Edmonton child found in locked car on hot day

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Rathji

If I had to guess without going over to win a million bucks, I would be picking 90%.

To put this in perspective, I have always consider our car seats to be installed correctly. We did some pre-natal training where they explained it all and another related training afterwards. In addition, our car seats and their installation are inspected yearly by Child and Family Services.

My wife went through a 'car seat' check last year. We failed, IIRC badly on one seat, and minor issues with the other 2. According to the cop, almost everyone who was pulled over (and had car seats) also failed. As an alternative to do paying the fine, she went through some car seat training at the Children's Hospital, where she saw many of her friends from the community who hit the same check stop.

Despite being fairly confident in our use of the car seats, and my complete OCD nature when it comes to this stuff especially since we have Child Services inspect them yearly, she learned a ton about car seats that day. Stuff that was never mentioned in the training we have both been in, or stuff we obviously completely misunderstood.

tl;dr You probably are not using your car seat correctly.

And yet you got into an accident with incorrectly installed car seats, and they worked admirably, according to you, no?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Knalus

And yet you got into an accident with incorrectly installed car seats, and they worked admirably, according to you, no?

Accident was in May 2012, car seat check was in 2011.

I am actually pretty confident that the changes we made in installation were pretty important in terms of ensuring that nothing went wrong. That is probably me just making myself feel better about it though, and I am willing to admit that they possibly could have been just as safe in an incorrectly installed car seat. Had they been in seat belts, I would be surprised if there were no serious injuries on the part of my kids.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Rathji

tl;dr You probably are not using your car seat correctly.

And this conclusion is a big part of the problem, imo. If a diligent parent who gets their car seats checked every year couldn't get it right, what hope does that leave for the average person.

A safety system people can't use properly is often worse than no system at all.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

And this conclusion is a big part of the problem, imo. If a diligent parent who gets their car seats checked every year couldn't get it right, what hope does that leave for the average person.

A safety system people can't use properly is often worse than no system at all.

Some would contend that if you cant get the carseat working properly then perhaps procreation may not be for you...

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Locke

Some would contend that if you cant get the carseat working properly then perhaps procreation may not be for you...

I wouldn't disagree with the conclusion that a huge percentage of people who have kids probably shouldn't. I don't have any kids or carseats, I just think once people (including dumb ones) have kids, we should use evidence on what's working and what's not to protect them.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You can spin it all you want. Fact is the child is your responsibility. If you take in the car to the store, bring the child into the store with you. Simple as that. It's called being a parent.

Children should not be left alone in vehicles.

I am not spinning anything. I am stating what I would have done in a similar situation and that the recomendation to smash the window likely when to far.

I stated my position on leaving kids in vehicles earlier in the thread. For me if I have line of site on the car like a gas station or convenience store I am comfortable leaving my kids in there. For something like Walmart I would bring my kids in.

However I am not willing to villify parents who took a slightly greater risk than I am willing to take. I disagree with what they did I wouldn't do it myself but I don't think they criminally endangered their child.

It would be like getting mad at every parent who puts their child in a front facing car seat at the age of one when it is legally allowed. I choose to rear face kids in car seats as long as they fit because it is safer. Others don't.

The constant judgement of parents by society and mainly other parents is a negative thing in our society. Let people do what they believe is in the best interests of their children.

[OilKiller]

Only on CP can this thread take the turns it has. Should be pretty black and white, but not here folks...lol.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by OilKiller

Only on CP can this thread take the turns it has. Should be pretty black and white, but not here folks...lol.

About car seats? Wait, what are we talking about?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by zuluking

About car seats? Wait, what are we talking about?

I actually didn't think my carseat derail was that bad in a thread about the safety of children in cars.

Look at it this way, it could have been a trade Bouwmeester suggestion.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I actually didn't think my carseat derail was that bad in a thread about an Edmonton child found in locked car on hot day.

Look at it this way, it could have been a trade Bouwmeester suggestion.

fyp

[Cyclops]

Most of you are treating this like it is one of the most awful things a parent could possibly do....how many of you wrote to your MLA in regards to the child being returned to the parent in CALGARY after being left in a vehicle outside of a casino a few years ago? That child was about 18 months and was hidden by blankets covering the windows. If this is the issue that you make it out to be then do something about it.

I don't leave my children in the car alone unless I can see them, I also don't know what the line is for other parents when leaving children in vehicles. If it was endangering the kids then child services would have been on the scene and apprehended the kids, from what I have seen they weren't.

I see that many of you are parents, I bet that people could find faults in things that you have done and probably put the childrens safety at risk if given the chance.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Most of you are treating this like it is one of the most awful things a parent could possibly do....how many of you wrote to your MLA in regards to the child being returned to the parent in CALGARY after being left in a vehicle outside of a casino a few years ago? That child was about 18 months and was hidden by blankets covering the windows. If this is the issue that you make it out to be then do something about it.

I don't leave my children in the car alone unless I can see them, I also don't know what the line is for other parents when leaving children in vehicles. If it was endangering the kids then child services would have been on the scene and apprehended the kids, from what I have seen they weren't.

I see that many of you are parents, I bet that people could find faults in things that you have done and probably put the childrens safety at risk if given the chance.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that I also had to write a letter to my MLA every time I criticize blatant, inexcusable stupidity on the internet.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Sorry, I wasn't aware that I also had to write a letter to my MLA every time I criticize blatant, inexcusable stupidity on the internet.

And that's the great thing about our society, everybody complains and nobody cares enough to do anything about it. Thanks for being the example.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

And that's the great thing about our society, everybody complains and nobody cares enough to do anything about it. Thanks for being the example.

I'm doing plenty about it. I take my daughter inside with me whenever I got to walmart.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'm doing plenty about it. I take my daughter inside with me whenever I got to walmart.

So you know where the line is drawn better than the cops and child services when it comes to "blatant, inexcusable stupidity" in regards to parenting? Really good work.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Most of you are treating this like it is one of the most awful things a parent could possibly do....how many of you wrote to your MLA in regards to the child being returned to the parent in CALGARY after being left in a vehicle outside of a casino a few years ago? That child was about 18 months and was hidden by blankets covering the windows. If this is the issue that you make it out to be then do something about it.

I don't leave my children in the car alone unless I can see them, I also don't know what the line is for other parents when leaving children in vehicles. If it was endangering the kids then child services would have been on the scene and apprehended the kids, from what I have seen they weren't.

I see that many of you are parents, I bet that people could find faults in things that you have done and probably put the childrens safety at risk if given the chance.

We already have laws for abuse/neglect/not providing necessities of life, etc.
Why are we to write our MLA's?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by First Lady

We already have laws for abuse/neglect/not providing necessities of life, etc.
Why are we to write our MLA's?

If this case is as bad as some posters made it out to be. ie the take away kids comments and the test to be parents comments, then those people in theory should be so outraged that they would want the existing laws enforced or strengthend and therefore would write their MLA, MP or police ombudsmen.

But really what happened is not as big of deal as being made out to be.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

So you know where the line is drawn better than the cops and child services when it comes to "blatant, inexcusable stupidity" in regards to parenting? Really good work.

I'm just going to back away from you. You've got one of those 'pick a fight and then move your target all over the place' things going on.

[Clarkey]

Why is Dana White letting these young fellers cook in the sauna for?

[Mightyfire89]

^^^Huh?