Seriously? I don't know if you're obese or not, but this is the attitude of a lot of obese people which makes them the center of ridicule.
If there's a link, sure. BUT, which of these is the right solution?
a) drink non-canned drinks (wine, cocktails, high balls)
b) buy bottled beer
c) stop drinking beer
d) blame the cans, and continue drinking canned beer while being obese
For you, and a huge majority of obese people, d) is their choice. And they should rightfully be ridiculed for it.
For the record, I'd just like to say that even IF there was a link between BPA and obesity, it's minor at best, and what's inside the cans is probably causing obesity far more than any sort of BPA absorption effect.
First what good does ridiculing someone do - it serves to lower their self confidence and drive them to food and other things that while they know are not good for them and worsen the problem act as a protection. You are a huge part of that problem if you actually think that way.
Also you used d twice, you are obviously of less intelligence and you should be ridiculed for you it.
There are so many personal issues that people actually can't control, and get made fun of for, and THOSE are the people that deserve sympathy. I'll give you a couple examples: height, hair loss, facial features, speech impediment, actual disability.
You say that someone who is balding deserves sympathy while someone who battles with their weight and struggles with weight loss, for a number of reasons, not because they are lazy but because it is difficult, people are biologically not designed to lose massive amounts of weight and no one would like to go to out and have someone think that it is okay to ridicule them because of their weight. Also what purpose does it serve - does ruining someone's day make you feel like you are a better person?
The fact that you have more empathy for short, bald people than you do for someone who is obese shows me exactly what type of person you are, someone whose I doubt many people here would like to spend time around.
Sometimes certain handicaps can cause obesity. Simply because you don't have the mobility you need. Also extreme obesity can qualify as a handicap, though it's a bit of a chicken or egg debate on which is the real problem.
Finally there is a very small portion of the population that cannot help it. But I say very small as there is a very large number of people that like to blame their problem on 'glandular conditions' or other things, when really it's just their lifestyle.
I said it earlier, so I'll just quote myself on this one:
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As for the people who choose not to exert their control over their weight willingly, I have to ask, why should they? Fine, if you legitimately have health problems that are proven to be caused by your weight, then maybe someone might want to lose weight, but if they have no health problems then who is society to stigmatize them and demand that they be more aesthetically pleasing (which is constantly changing by the way. 100 years ago a woman who weighed over 200lbs was one of the most famous actresses and known for her beauty, and now today you're criticized if you weigh more than 100lbs)
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I appreciate your insight, but people are just lazy and eat like **** all the time... that's why they are overweight.
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I bolded the relevant part.
Likely could be the same for Pop/Soda too.
I'm sure it's been commented on already, but I haven't finished the thread. But if I was an obese American what I have likely finsihed is a few BPA obesity causing cans of delicious healthy soda pop in the time it took me to read the rest of the thread.
That is such blatant stereotyping it's not even funny. Not everyone who is overweight is lazy and eat's like #### all the time, and not everyone who is "normal" weight exercises and eats healthy all the time. I know people from both ends of the spectrum who are either lazy or healthy, and who either eat a lot of junk food or eat quite healthily.
Also, I've heard it said from numerous sources that genetics account for 70% of your weight potential and only 30% is environmental - so no, it's not "just" people being lazy and eating like #### all the time, the majority of it is simply the way that they were born.
You don't get it? Obesity is a problem that people bring on themselves (in the vast majority of cases). Then they go out and start campaigns to somehow make it okay and they try to tell people that are of healthy weight or slightly underweight that they're ugly and the right way to live is a size 18.
What? How many people do you actually know who do this? Anyone I have ever heard of who has learned to accept themselves at the size they're at (possibly a size 18) preaches body acceptance at any size, not disdain for those who are of a "healthy" weight or slightly underweight.
I'm down 47 lb since January (starting at 284, 6'2") but according to the BMI, I have about 40 lbs to get to high Normal. I can see where 20 lb could come from but I have big skating legs and I think I'll be quite lean (though not NHL-player lean) at 210-215.
I personally don't put any stock in a calculator I can find online, but I guess to each their own. These calculators have no way of determining whether or not you're actually healthy, it just computes numbers that you give to it. I put my stock in a Dr. and a registered dietitian (so long as they don't start spouting BMI at me).
You say that someone who is balding deserves sympathy while someone who battles with their weight and struggles with weight loss, for a number of reasons, not because they are lazy but because it is difficult, people are biologically not designed to lose massive amounts of weight and no one would like to go to out and have someone think that it is okay to ridicule them because of their weight. Also what purpose does it serve - does ruining someone's day make you feel like you are a better person?
The fact that you have more empathy for short, bald people than you do for someone who is obese shows me exactly what type of person you are, someone whose I doubt many people here would like to spend time around.
In very succinct words, I have empathy for people that have issues that they cannot control. I have no empathy for people that have problems that they brought upon themselves.
What? How many people do you actually know who do this? Anyone I have ever heard of who has learned to accept themselves at the size they're at (possibly a size 18) preaches body acceptance at any size, not disdain for those who are of a "healthy" weight or slightly underweight.
To be honest, a lot.
Most obese people (especially women) that I've talked to get incredibly upset and "holier than thou", whenever a skinnier person (especially women) mentions that they need to lose a few more pounds for whatever reason.
What? How many people do you actually know who do this? Anyone I have ever heard of who has learned to accept themselves at the size they're at (possibly a size 18) preaches body acceptance at any size, not disdain for those who are of a "healthy" weight or slightly underweight.
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To be honest, a lot.
Most obese people (especially women) that I've talked to get incredibly upset and "holier than thou", whenever a skinnier person (especially women) mentions that they need to lose a few more pounds for whatever reason.
I get that the age we live in is one where people like to feel good about themselves no matter what - "we're all special and our kids are all special". And again, I'm not saying bullying people is the answer.
But why do we want to encourage people to accept the status quo of being in an obvious unhealthy situation. Why say that "it is okay" to live like that? Sure, there are the tiny percentages of people who have a disease/injury/whatever that makes it a reality; but the sheer majority have a choice.
Clearly the cost to society and all of us is huge. 20+% of healthcare funds alone are directed there.
You say that someone who is balding deserves sympathy while someone who battles with their weight and struggles with weight loss, for a number of reasons, not because they are lazy but because it is difficult, people are biologically not designed to lose massive amounts of weight and no one would like to go to out and have someone think that it is okay to ridicule them because of their weight. Also what purpose does it serve - does ruining someone's day make you feel like you are a better person?
The fact that you have more empathy for short, bald people than you do for someone who is obese shows me exactly what type of person you are, someone whose I doubt many people here would like to spend time around.
Are you for real? Baldness has NO CURE. There are various procedures to offset hair loss, but either way if you are genetically programmed to go bald, it will happen. For the vast majority of people, fatness has a cure. 100% success rate. Put it this way, I would take being fat over going bald a million times over.
That is such blatant stereotyping it's not even funny. Not everyone who is overweight is lazy and eat's like #### all the time, and not everyone who is "normal" weight exercises and eats healthy all the time. I know people from both ends of the spectrum who are either lazy or healthy, and who either eat a lot of junk food or eat quite healthily.
Also, I've heard it said from numerous sources that genetics account for 70% of your weight potential and only 30% is environmental - so no, it's not "just" people being lazy and eating like #### all the time, the majority of it is simply the way that they were born.
I actually am not sterotyping, I'm overly critical of fat skinny people too. I've seen people who eat like shiz, abuse their bodies, do little to no exercise and think they are healthy because they have a small or thin frame. Those people I think less of just as much as their fat lazy obese counterparts.
Hey, if it's a genunie problem I have no issue. If you're just too lazy to do anything about it I'm going to have an opinion. Same goes for drug addicts, homeless people, bums, jerks, liars, cheaters etc.
You say that someone who is balding deserves sympathy while someone who battles with their weight and struggles with weight loss, for a number of reasons, not because they are lazy but because it is difficult, people are biologically not designed to lose massive amounts of weight and no one would like to go to out and have someone think that it is okay to ridicule them because of their weight. Also what purpose does it serve - does ruining someone's day make you feel like you are a better person?
The fact that you have more empathy for short, bald people than you do for someone who is obese shows me exactly what type of person you are, someone whose I doubt many people here would like to spend time around.
As someone who is balding at a very young age I call BS on this. If someone were to offer me a deal where I would gain 100lbs (which would make me grossly obese) in return for a full head of hair for the rest of my life I would gladly take it. Why? Because I know that, while it make take a long period of time, I can lose that weight and get back down it back down to a normal level. There is essentially nothing I can do about my hair loss, save a few very expensive procedures. It is an entirely genetic trait I inherited and will have to live with, one of which I am frequently ridiculed for.
There is essentially nothing I can do about my hair loss, save a few very expensive procedures. It is an entirely genetic trait I inherited and will have to live with, one of which I am frequently ridiculed for.
But...but...but being fat is genetic, nothing these poor souls can do. And every meal a gun is held to their heads and they are forced to eat buckets of food.
But...but...but being fat is genetic, nothing these poor souls can do. And every meal a gun is held to their heads and they are forced to eat buckets of food.
I get that the age we live in is one where people like to feel good about themselves no matter what - "we're all special and our kids are all special". And again, I'm not saying bullying people is the answer.
But why do we want to encourage people to accept the status quo of being in an obvious unhealthy situation. Why say that "it is okay" to live like that? Sure, there are the tiny percentages of people who have a disease/injury/whatever that makes it a reality; but the sheer majority have a choice.
Clearly the cost to society and all of us is huge. 20+% of healthcare funds alone are directed there.
Wrong. As stated by the Public Health Agency of Canada the cost of obesity is more like 2% (http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/.../index-eng.php). If being obese automatically equals being unhealthy, then shouldn't that number be closer to 17-25%?
I'm also not an advocate for telling people to stay in an unhealthy situation. If they're unhealthy then maybe they should change their lifestyle. However, if they're healthy, then why should they change? The number on a scale does not define you as healthy or unhealthy.
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Are you for real? Baldness has NO CURE. There are various procedures to offset hair loss, but either way if you are genetically programmed to go bald, it will happen. For the vast majority of people, fatness has a cure. 100% success rate. Put it this way, I would take being fat over going bald a million times over.
If it has a 100% success rate, then why do the vast majority of people who successfully lose weight, put it back on (and sometimes more) within 3 years? Ignoring the genetics issue, if it's a psychological problem then it's not necessarily a case of just deciding to change. There may be issues that need to be worked through, training on how to eat properly, and so many other things that they'll need to do. This all costs a ton of money (a minimum of $500 at one nutritionist in Calgary, generally over $150/hour for psychologists...), that many people do not have just laying around. And if they're healthy and happy then it's quite likely they don't have the desire or motivation to change just to please the masses.
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Obesity is a far more complex issue than just "shoveling food down one's throat". Eating food is the symptom of a problem rather than the actual problem.
I'm a guy who has struggled with my weight as well. I was raised in a single parent family without money and my mom worked several jobs to keep any food on the table. I ended up having to cook for my brother and sister but we often were eating hot dogs, KD and super salty fluorescent Lipton soup. None of this had any real nutritional value. My biggest fear as a kid was that we would not have anything to eat and would starve. Often we got pretty close to having nothing at all in the fridge or in the cupboards. Leaving behind a clean plate was something that was just part of life for me. I think that my upbringing taught me that I needed to eat as much as I could because another meal wasn't really guaranteed. I still struggle with controlling my desire to overeat.
I grew up to be a teenager who was dealing with the fact that I was gay and happened to find myself part of an evangelical church who consistently told me how evil I was. Food was one thing that didn't judge me...when even I was judging me.
I was never huge. I stopped weighing myself but I probably ended up at 230-240 at 5'9. I was certainly obese according to BMI standards. More important than my weight was that I was miserable.
Even though I never became morbidly obese, I can certainly see how that could be possible. If I felt miserable, I would turn to food. If I was happy, I would turn to food. With food there is no abstention. You have to eat. When you have 100+ lbs to lose it is incredibly diffiicult to see light at the end of the tunnel. Exercise becomes more difficult with each pound and physical issues like back, knee and other joint pain can limit the amount and type of exercise that you can do. Being laughed at by immature and meanspirited people isn't motivating...it is demoralizing and dehumanizing. If you don't feel like you have any real value, why would you make the effort to lose the weight?
I was lucky. When I came out of the closet and ditched my religion, I gained some confidence and a sense of self-worth. I worked really hard and got down to 150lbs. However, I still struggle to see food in a healthy way. I still have issues with comfort/celebration eating. I still struggle to eat an appropriate amount of food. I have gone up and down and am currently up a bit (175ish). I don't feel good about myself for it but I have faith that I can get on track again.
Obese people are people. Mocking them is not going to help. Supporting and showing people that their self-worth isn't connected to their weight is a far more effective way to help them build healthy relationships with food and motivating to be physically active.
I also find it so sad that people who have vices like smoking, drinking, drugs, and promiscuity would feel somehow entitled to mock someone who is possibly already feeling pretty bad about themselves.
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Some of the incredibly ignorant and hateful stuff being said here in BLANKET statements about obese people is frightening.
So often people who overeat are victims of abuse, bullying, and a 100 other emotional reasons.
I had thought about writing out a long well thought out post but reading this crap posted by intolerant people left me shaking with anger so I'll bow out and let more reasoned and calm people discuss this.
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