Youngest senator has worst attendance record (AKA Why won't CPC show up for work?)

[CaptainCrunch]

No he probably earned his brown belt though

And during the ramp up to this fight our favorite senator stated far and wide that he was a trained MMA

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think Harper's heart was in the right place in appointing him, he wanted to put a high profile Native into the Senate. It sounds like there wasn't enough prior due diligence before the appointment or they chose to ignore the previous sexual harassment stuff because it was dropped.

Conservatives seem to be getting a pretty easy ride in here over this scandal. Not surprising (and I no doubt am easier on the politicians/parties that I support), but worth noting.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't think I'm giving him a free ride, the fact is there was nothing wrong with the idea of putting a native in the Senate, it was something that was needed and Harper has stated that natives need to be better represented in government.

Its true that our friend had been investigated for sexual harrasment before but it had been dropped, he was also the golden boy among native choices when he was put into the Senate.

Harper can't really toss him out of the Senate but he did the only thing that he could do which is throw him out of the party..

The Liberal's and NDP screaming that he should be thrown out of the Senate yesterday seem to be clueless about the Senate dismissal process. Also demanding that he pay back the money is foolish as the investigation into the tax free income stuff has just started and not been concluded.

Harper can take stronger actions on a conviction, he can also take stronger actions on the fraud stuff once the investigation is completed.

the failure here is the vetting process.

[AMG_G]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

No he probably earned his brown belt though

And during the ramp up to this fight our favorite senator stated far and wide that he was a trained MMA

If anything he will be earning his brown belt soon if found guilty.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by AMG_G

If anything he will be earning his brown belt soon if found guilty.

Haha. Rape is funny when it happens to the incarcerated.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think I'm giving him a free ride, the fact is there was nothing wrong with the idea of putting a native in the Senate, it was something that was needed and Harper has stated that natives need to be better represented in government.

Its true that our friend had been investigated for sexual harrasment before but it had been dropped, he was also the golden boy among native choices when he was put into the Senate.

Harper can't really toss him out of the Senate but he did the only thing that he could do which is throw him out of the party..

The Liberal's and NDP screaming that he should be thrown out of the Senate yesterday seem to be clueless about the Senate dismissal process. Also demanding that he pay back the money is foolish as the investigation into the tax free income stuff has just started and not been concluded.

Harper can take stronger actions on a conviction, he can also take stronger actions on the fraud stuff once the investigation is completed.

the failure here is the vetting process.

I don't think any other CPC supporters on here are giving him a free ride either. As far as I can see we're calling a spade a spade and are all for his removal from the CPC caucus... and more if the investigations prove the other allegations to be true.

Its not like we're trying to hide wrong doing or sweep it under the rug, like say....

lets see now.... how about Joyce Fairbairn...

where she continued to vote in the Senate for months, on numerous pieces of legislation, in support of her other Liberal Senate colleagues, despite the fact that she had been declared legally incompetent last February due to her degenerating mental health (and the other Liberal Senators were well aware of this fact).

Now that's a disgrace and something all Liberal Party members and supporters should be ashamed of.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Now that's a disgrace and something all Liberal Party members and supporters should be ashamed of.

All Liberal Party members and supporters should be ashamed? Save the drama for your mama.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Reaper

All Liberal Party members and supporters should be ashamed? Save the drama for your mama.

Certainly. The Liberal Senators knowingly supported and condoned what she did... or at least they did until the news story broke.

In there opinion (as shown by their actions), an extra vote against any CPC legislation was worth any deceit on their part. Every Liberal Senator who kept their mouth shut about this should resign their Senate seat. The one who is least to blame is Joyce Fairbairn.... in fact she should share none of the blame... she was declared legally incompetent. If only the other Liberal Senators had that excuse.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Certainly. The Liberal Senators knowingly supported and condoned what she did... or at least they did until the news story broke.

In there opinion (as shown by their actions), an extra vote against any CPC legislation was worth any deceit on their part. Every Liberal Senator who kept their mouth shut about this should resign their Senate seat. The one who is least to blame is Joyce Fairbairn.... in fact she should share none of the blame... she was declared legally incompetent. If only the other Liberal Senators had that excuse.

Yes, that's shifty. But to say that Liberal Party supporters should be ashamed? That's a bit much. Are you "ashamed" every time the CPC does something shifty?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Yes, that's shifty. But to say that Liberal Party supporters should be ashamed? That's a bit much. Are you "ashamed" every time the CPC does something shifty?

Absolutely!

Edit: I'm ashamed that Brazeau was named to the Senate as a CPC member. I'm ashamed at a lot of things that Lyin Brian did when he was PM. I'm ashamed that CPC party members tried to corrupt the voting sytem thru the robo call scandal.

This is a party I support and take pride in and I'm ashamed every time a CPC member does something wrong that discredits it.

[Flash Walken]

I could have sworn one of harper's personal platforms was senate reform.

What has been done in this capacity since he's been PM?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I could have sworn one of harper's personal platforms was senate reform.

What has been done in this capacity since he's been PM?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...te_reform.html

Prime Minister Stephen Harper is referring his one-time dream of a term-limited and voter-approved — if not elected — Senate to the Supreme Court of Canada for a legal opinion.

Faced with loud provincial objections to his plan to change the Senate via a simple federal law without a constitutional change approved by the provinces — as well as the ire of some of his own appointed senators — Harper is throwing his contentious plan into the lap of the country’s top judges.

It’s a move long urged on his government by the Liberals and by the Canadian Bar Association. It comes on the heels of the Quebec government’s own reference to that province’s high court. And it pushes the whole question to near the end of Harper’s term in government, if not past the scheduled next election in 2015.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Rerun

This is a party I support and take pride in and I'm ashamed every time a CPC member does something wrong that discredits it.

You take pride in a political party? That's pretty damn sad. Choosing a political party is like picking the cleanest stall in a filthy dive bar rest room. You only do it because you have to not because you want to.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I could have sworn one of harper's personal platforms was senate reform.

What has been done in this capacity since he's been PM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_...arty_positions

Harper has also promised further reforms beyond electing senators, including limits on how long each senator may sit.[29] To that effect, on May 30, 2006, the government introduced Bill S-4 in the Senate, which would amend the Constitution Act, 1867 to limit the term of a newly appointed senator to eight years. It also provides that current senators may serve out their term to age 75. While appearing before a Senate committee, Harper announced that in the fall 2006, the government would introduce a bill to allow Canadians to elect senators.[30] This bill was announced on December 13, 2006.[31] S-4 died at the end of the first parliamentary session, but was reintroduced with modifications as C-19 in the second session.[32] The bill was reintroduced in 2009 as Bill S-7 with one change: senators appointed between October 14, 2008, and the date the amendment takes effect will remain senators for eight years after the amendment comes into force.[33]

The federal government also introduced Bill C-43 for "the consultation of the electors... in relation to the appointment of senators".[31] "Pending the pursuit of a constitutional amendment... to provide for a means of direct election" the elected candidates will not automatically become senators; they will be presented to the prime minister who retains the choice of whom to recommend to be appointed senator. According to the bill, these "consultations" should be held together with federal or provincial legislative elections (ss. 12–13).[34] The bill makes no changes in the distribution of seats among the provinces. The bill died at the end of the first parliamentary session, but was reintroduced in the second as Bill C-20

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Certainly. The Liberal Senators knowingly supported and condoned what she did... or at least they did until the news story broke.

In there opinion (as shown by their actions), an extra vote against any CPC legislation was worth any deceit on their part. Every Liberal Senator who kept their mouth shut about this should resign their Senate seat. The one who is least to blame is Joyce Fairbairn.... in fact she should share none of the blame... she was declared legally incompetent. If only the other Liberal Senators had that excuse.

Save the drama for your mama is right. LOL at the fake self-righteous indignation.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Save the drama for your mama is right. LOL at the fake self-righteous indignation.

Sounds like a little bit of self-righteous anger here.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

You take pride in a political party? That's pretty damn sad. Choosing a political party is like picking the cleanest stall in a filthy dive bar rest room. You only do it because you have to not because you want to.

Currently I'm not a paid up member of the CPC, but have been in the past.... and yes, I do take pride in the CPC and its accomplishments.

Perhaps if fewer people had your attitude, politics and government would improve for the better and there would be less apathy come election day.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Absolutely!

Edit: I'm ashamed that Brazeau was named to the Senate as a CPC member. I'm ashamed at a lot of things that Lyin Brian did when he was PM. I'm ashamed that CPC party members tried to corrupt the voting sytem thru the robo call scandal.

This is a party I support and take pride in and I'm ashamed every time a CPC member does something wrong that discredits it.

Personally, I don't feel guilt for the folly of others. But I'm not tonguing Harper's balls either.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Personally, I don't feel guilt for the folly of others. But I'm not tonguing Harper's balls either.

Its hard to do that when you got you head up Justin's @ss, isn't it?

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Currently I'm not a paid up member of the CPC, but have been in the past.... and yes, I do take pride in the CPC and its accomplishments.

Perhaps if fewer people had your attitude, politics and government would improve for the better and there would be less apathy come election day.

You know what would improve politics and government? Politicians who aren't sleazeballs and liars. That's what causes the apathy. Ending the apathy won't change that. And unless you're after something only a fool would give money to a political party.