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[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by pylon

It is not my fault the guys brain is broken, and society should not have to worry about a total nutcase, that could snap at any minute and saw your head off walking the streets. It is a shame one of the officers didn't walk in the bus, and blow the guys head off, and just claim he lunged at them with the knife..

This just shows that you have absolutely no idea about schiziphrenia more than anything. Vincent Li has a biochemical imbalance in his brain which can be treated with medication, to the best of my knowledge this other guy doesn't have an Axis 1 disorder under the DMS-IV-TR.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yasa

A schizophrenic can and will feel empathy and sympathy. A socio/pyschopath does not. For me, it's easier to be empathetic to a person that can reciprocate vs. one that does not.

In the moment of their attacks, a schizo may not understand or grasp the severity of their actions but afterwards and after treatment they realize what has happened. Depression is common for schizophrenics as a result of this.

A sociopathic murderer doesn't care before, during or after. They can't relate to people because they show no ability to empathize. They can't be rehabilitated with any amount of treatment. They will continue the desire to kill/feel powerful.

I recall Vincent Li asked the police to kill him after he came down from his episode. I'm not sure that I want him walking around free, but I do think he feels genuine remorse.

I know one person that is schizophrenic and I couldn't imagine him ever hurting anyone. There are just so many different variations of the disease.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by pylon

Both men killed another human being.

Both men decapitated that human being.

Both men ate pieces of their victims.

No sane human being does these things, and an argument can be made that only an insane person would. And if he was not insane, there is about a thousand other mental disorders you could tag to him. It is completely out of the scope of normal human behaviour for someone to do it, and it could be argued that anyone who does such a thing is mentally ill.

So basically, if you sympathize with Li's disorder, unfortunately, you pretty much have to sympathize with this cat's as well. I can pretty much assure you, that Luka Magnotta has Narcissistic personality disorder just based on his websites and online postings. Is that his fault? It wasn't Li's fault he had Schizophrenia, right?

So I guess what you are saying is, killers with one mental illness, should be given more latitude than others? Schizophrenia is a free pass to murder, but insanity is not? Correct me if I am wrong please.

I can understand where people may sympathize with Li. Unfortunately, I hold the belief that even if the guy didn't mean to do what he did, he still did it. And he should pay the ultimate price for it, at minimum being locked away for life. If it was a family member of mine in Li's place, I would feel the same. He ruined a families life, and the pussified Canadian justice system continues to as well, as they are giving Li more help and support, than the f'n family of the young kid who had his head sawed off by him. The justice minister and the parole board, should just go take a big steaming crap, right on the mothers face, because that is what they are doing her. And he also scarred every single person that sat on that busses life for the rest of their lives. And we have sympathy for that monster?

It is not my fault the guys brain is broken, and society should not have to worry about a total nutcase, that could snap at any minute and saw your head off walking the streets. It is a shame one of the officers didn't walk in the bus, and blow the guys head off, and just claim he lunged at them with the knife.

Lastly, my call to remove the puns, was in consideration of the victims family. As someone who has just recently had to deal with the online identity of a deceased family member, I cannot begin to think what that family must be thinking under such horrific circumstances. Even though the the web is awash with jokes about this case, I figured we, could at least do our small part, and be a little classier than that.

Many "bleeding hearts" feel similar about the things they believe in, too. So what's the difference? How about instead of throwing out veiled insults referring back to an old thread you just stick to your argument next time?

You state you understand the difference between schizophrenia and ASPD, but I don't think you do. Otherwise you would know one is a mental disorder (largely because of an abnormality of the brain), while another is a personality disorder (largely due to environmental effects), and in the medical world, the two are quite different. You seem to be under the impression than any err from normality in an individual equals mental illness, but this isn't the case. You also seem to believe you can simply "argue" for a biochemical imbalance such as schizophrenia being the same and equal to a personality disorder like ASPD, but you can't, at least not easily. Why? Because it's science. If -- and we have absolutely no idea at this point -- this guy is a sociopath, which it does seem as if he is, through strict guidelines and methods, psychiatrists will be able to find out.

As for your moral absolutism, it's naive. You point out three similarities, but conveniently leave out any context or circumstance: one has a mental illness that is treatable, the other one, as of right now, is an unknown. Do you normally ignore all context when you're judging people?

Edit: Wow, you advocate for an officer to commit murder. Didn't notice that at first. You would think with your simplified view of morality you would then need to advocate for the officer to be locked up for murder -- it meets your first listed criteria, after all, and is the most heinous -- or do the circumstances change things for you?

[HPLovecraft]

I'll also add -- though I think it was already summed up fine before I posted -- that I can and do sympathize with just about anyone that suffers from any type of disorder or abuse, but that doesn't mean I need to believe they all deserve the same type of treatment and punishment because of it. That would be naive.

[firebug]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Edit: Wow, you advocate for an officer to commit murder. Didn't notice that at first. You would think with your simplified view of morality you would then need to advocate for the officer to be locked up for murder -- it meets your first listed criteria, after all, and is the most heinous -- or do the circumstances change things for you?

Exactly.

What if the victim in this murder was Vincent Li who had escaped from his handlers while on supervised release from his mental institution? Would we have to thank Luka for his humanitarian act?

The spinning of an absolutist could generate as much free energy as a cat with a piece of buttered toast on its back.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

you really cannot view any of these things as absolutes, you can get different degrees of schizophrenia as well as different degrees of pyschopathy,in fact the arsehole that talked your grandmother into a new roof she didn't need or sold you a pyramid scheme is almost always some level of sociopath.

You can get sociopaths that have little or no concern for strangers but are reletively normal with their own immediate circle.

Thanks a lot, I never really thought of the degrees like that before.

I guess I have a little sociopath in me.

This guys sounds like not only is he sadistic, and psycho/sociopathetc, but he has a sexual bend to him, and a fame complex.

I think that based on that there's a good chance that this guy will reoffend and he's probably one of the more extreme personalities currently outside of the jail system.

That's a scary thought.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by firebug

Exactly.

What if the victim in this murder was Vincent Li who had escaped from his handlers while on supervised release from his mental institution? Would we have to thank Luka for his humanitarian act?

The spinning of an absolutist could generate as much free energy as a cat with a piece of buttered toast on its back.

And he calls the beliefs of others hypocritical.

Ugh.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Thanks a lot, I never really thought of the degrees like that before.

I guess I have a little sociopath in me.

This guys sounds like not only is he sadistic, and psycho/sociopathetc, but he has a sexual bend to him, and a fame complex.

I think that based on that there's a good chance that this guy will reoffend and he's probably one of the more extreme personalities currently outside of the jail system.

That's a scary thought.

There's a good book you can get on Amazon that has psychopathy as its topic, which the authour differentiates from sociopathy. He specifically points out that these people understand what they are doing, but choose to do so regardless:

Without Conscience

[handgroen]

heard second hand he was traveling as a woman in france, any truth to that?

[OffsideSpecialist]

That is what I have been hearing. French police confirmed he arrived there on the weekend, and the Ottawa Sun had a sketch of him as a woman on their cover, so it sounds like that is exactly what is going on.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/01/...ing-as-a-woman

EDIT: Okay, it seems it's not confirmed that he is travelling as a woman, but it seems he could very easily pass for a woman, and that's why many seem to think it is likely.

[The Yen Man]

I really hope they catch this guy soon for the general society's sake. He sounds like a very dangerous person to be roaming around free from authorities.

[ranchlandsselling]

Now that he might be in Europe it would be sweet if they put him in a cell with the 3 guys 1 hammer crew.

[firebug]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

And he calls the beliefs of others hypocritical.

Ugh.



There's a good book you can get on Amazon that has psychopathy as its topic, which the authour differentiates from sociopathy. He specifically points out that these people understand what they are doing, but choose to do so regardless:

Without Conscience

Yep, I think this guys only mistake was his choice of victim. A lot of the comments in threads on CP about what they'd do to a child rapist or a drunk driver and it doesn't seem much different than a transcript of Luka's video.

[RyZ]

This guy looks like a plastic doll. Unless he goes completely underground in Europe, I would hope it wont take too long to track him down. He almost looks unnatural.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

Now that he might be in Europe it would be sweet if they put him in a cell with the 3 guys 1 hammer crew.

I would hope those guys are somewhere being tortured a bit each day.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Thanks a lot, I never really thought of the degrees like that before.

I guess I have a little sociopath in me.

This guys sounds like not only is he sadistic, and psycho/sociopathetc, but he has a sexual bend to him, and a fame complex.

I think that based on that there's a good chance that this guy will reoffend and he's probably one of the more extreme personalities currently outside of the jail system.

That's a scary thought.

Apparently, you're the last person on CP to come to this realization.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by handgroen

heard second hand he was traveling as a woman in france, any truth to that?

I wouldn't doubt it at all, but I haven't heard that being confirmed.

The media is all over the fact that he wrote a blog called “How to completely disappear and never be found", but he actually just stole the high majority of his write up from a book that was published in 2002.

In his write up, he talks about the 4 month process to wiping yourself off the map. Coincidentally, he lived in Montreal for 4 months prior to the killings. He's had this whole thing planned for a while.

Unlike many here, I believe this was his first kill, and took place after years of fantasies and replaying what he eventually did in his head over and over again and he finally acted on and fulfilled those "fantasies"

The murder took place late evening of the 24th, and he was on a plane to France on the 26th. This gave him a few days to go anywhere before being publicly identified as the suspect. I would doubt he is in France, and am guessing Russia.

And although I do believe this was indeed his first kill, I don't think it will be his last.

Messed up case for sure. Fascinating in a very morbid way. As mush as I would like to see him caught, I think he's going to avoid capture for quite some time.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I've read some books on some pretty horrible serial killers over the year, Chikatilo in Russia, Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Dahlmer.

Any particular books you would recommend?

Columbine by Dave Cullen was a fascinating read that dispelled a lot of what I thought I knew about the shooting (failed bombing really).

Helter Skelter is about Charles Manson and was also interesting.

[something]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Any particular books you would recommend?

Columbine by Dave Cullen was a fascinating read that dispelled a lot of what I thought I knew about the shooting (failed bombing really).

Helter Skelter is about Charles Manson and was also interesting.

Madness and civilisation by Michel Foucault.

[troutman]

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...sychopath-test

The Psychopath Test Originally aired 05.27.2011

Recently we heard about this test that could determine if someone was a psychopath. So, naturally, our staff decided to take it. This week we hear the results. Plus Jon Ronson asks the question: is this man a psychopath?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Any particular books you would recommend?

Columbine by Dave Cullen was a fascinating read that dispelled a lot of what I thought I knew about the shooting (failed bombing really).

Helter Skelter is about Charles Manson and was also interesting.

Comrade Chikatilo: The Psychopathology of Russia's Notorious Serial Killer

Hunting the Devil the pursuit capture and confession of Andrei Chiatilo

Conversations with a killer (Was about Bundy, this is a great book)