4 dead on Everest in two days, 10 for the season

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by GGG

The Russian guide who climbed without Oxygen while guiding people up the mountain. Not that responsible in my books. I didn't think Krakauer makes himself sound heroic at all. I think he talks about his failures in regards to getting Weathers down the mountain earlier. But I would say reading both gives you good perspectives on what happened.

Everest is an interesting place. People making life and death decisions while essentially drunk with all of the incentives placed on climbing rather than not dying. Its easy to survive Mount Everest. You have a turn around time and you stick to it. People die when the two O'clock turn around hits and they are only 2 hours from the summit and keep going.

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He was regarded as the best climber in the world at the time and ALWAYS acclimitized properly so he never used oxygen on any of his climbs whereas these tourists NEVER acclimized. Yes read both but I didn't like how they blamed anatoli for the failures especially when he asked Krakauer to help but he didn't want to and outdoor magazine wouldn't print Anatoli's rebuttal to Krakauers version

[taco.vidal]

Until now I hadn't taken a look at her Facebook page or her personal website.

www.facebook.com/ssklorfine

www.myeverestexpedition.com/

Kinda creepy now knowing the outcome of her expedition.

[OffsideSpecialist]

I can't believe she trained for Everest by climbing rock walls. I heard a guy on the radio the other day saying that Sherpas very rarely go against their clients request, so when they tell you to head back down, you should probably listen to them.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Until now I hadn't taken a look at her Facebook page or her personal website.

www.facebook.com/ssklorfine

myeverestexpedition.com/

Kinda creepy now knowing the outcome of her expedition.

I just flipped through some of the pictures and not trying to sound rude but she was a little pudgy, which makes me think that he preparation that she did in order to prepare for Everest wasn't enough.... okay that and the fact that she was climbing hills at Sea Level with minimal weight on her back.

I just find it strange that someone could ever think that this would be a good idea... her version of treking was a 4 km hill with a 40kg backpack.

Did no one in her family think to sit her down and say - stop being so stupid.

Lastly I hate when I hear people saying she did this for charity... she put 5% of money raised towards a charity.

[kipperfan]

If I had the cash, the time to train properly and was able to take 6 months off work, I would more then definitely consider trying to climb Everest, even given the risks. I am planning a 3 month trip into Asia next year and am planning to get to Nepal and make it to the base camp. My Aunt and her close friend did the base camp trek about 10 years ago and she told me even to get to the camp is very taxing (and she is an extraordinarily fit older women), in fact the altitude was too much for her friend and she had to go back with one of the guides.

[Bertuzzied]

Can't they just fly a helicopter to the peak and lower the people down?

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Can't they just fly a helicopter to the peak and lower the people down?

Airs to thin for a helo

[GGG]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

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He was regarded as the best climber in the world at the time and ALWAYS acclimitized properly so he never used oxygen on any of his climbs whereas these tourists NEVER acclimized. Yes read both but I didn't like how they blamed anatoli for the failures especially when he asked Krakauer to help but he didn't want to and outdoor magazine wouldn't print Anatoli's rebuttal to Krakauers version

The death rate of climbers going without oxygen is twice as high as those with oxygen. This does not consider that the no oxygen climber is almost always a real mountaineer and not a tourist. So the risk becomes quite high. Also when not guiding he is able to travel fast without hinderance so he can get up and down quickly. While guiding you are at the pace of your slowest client.

All that said I would say the original article in outdoor was far more anti Anatoli, Hall and Scott than the book was. I found his book to be much more blaming the industry than individuals wheras the Climb seem to almost treat it like another day on the mountain, almost a cold detached asessment, which would be expected from a hardened mountaineer vs an experienced amateur.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I just flipped through some of the pictures and not trying to sound rude but she was a little pudgy,

as I understand it, you lose a ton of weight as you chew through energy because you can't really properly eat at high altitudes, cant remember if it is you not being hungry or your body not metabolizing the food correctly. I would think skinny people would be at a disadvantage over a chubby person who trained properly.

[sclitheroe]

Note to self: myeverestexpedition.com expires on June 12

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Rathji

as I understand it, you lose a ton of weight as you chew through energy because you can't really properly eat at high altitudes, cant remember if it is you not being hungry or your body not metabolizing the food correctly. I would think skinny people would be at a disadvantage over a chubby person who trained properly.

That's why you have to eat correctly when your climbing the mountain. You need to unleash to power of the apple.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Until now I hadn't taken a look at her Facebook page or her personal website.

www.facebook.com/ssklorfine

www.myeverestexpedition.com/

Kinda creepy now knowing the outcome of her expedition.

Weird site. On the photos/videos section you see her in the fugly yellow snow suit, but she's photoshopped into two different backgrounds on that page and at least a third on the scrolling pictures. Makes me question whether she's actually been to any of these places, or if that picture was taken in front of a green screen in Toronto.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Lastly I hate when I hear people saying she did this for charity... she put 5% of money raised towards a charity.

That was my thought too. If you are doing something like this, it should be 'All net proceeds'.

Originally Posted by trublmaker

Airs to thin for a helo

Not true. Even though it is the HAX! method of getting to the summit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HckQcNNoJc

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Oh you have got to be kidding me:

Everest victim's family asks for government help

"We want somebody to help us in the foreign affairs department to bring the body from Kathmandu to Toronto," he said.

"As a humanitarian gesture, I think it should be the responsibility of the foreign affairs department," said Lamba.

He added Shah "spent her every dime to reach Mount Everest with the sole purpose of unfurling [the] maple leaf flag over there."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...r-body468.html

That last part I quoted is the worst, don't try and play the flag card. We've had a bunch of Canucks (not too mention the first one) already bring our flag up there.

The family isn't seeking government help...just to clarify.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...r-body468.html

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by pylon

Not true. Even though it is the HAX! method of getting to the summit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HckQcNNoJc

hahahaha. imagine if you were summitting that day? all that hard work to get to the top and then you see a helicopter up there! hahahaha

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

hahahaha. imagine if you were summitting that day? all that hard work to get to the top and then you see a helicopter up there! hahahaha

Good.

Because no matter which way you look at, its not the taxpayers responsibility if something like this happens. They were warned IIRC.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Azure

Good.

Because no matter which way you look at, its not the taxpayers responsibility if something like this happens. They were warned IIRC.

Ummm did you reply to the right post? seems like a rather odd response. hehe

[Azure]

Damn, looks like I did.

Was already thinking about replying to a post in the Flames section.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Her body has been recovered and brought to Camp II by Sherpas
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Cl...730/story.html

[MoneyGuy]

Today is the 59th anniversary of the first successful ascent of Everest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Everest