Woman Drivers

[Bill Bumface]

It was in a post edit you may have missed, understandable:

Originally posted by hulkrogan
EDIT: For the record I'm not some ******* looking for accidents, I think I've only done this twice in my life after flashing the brake lights and letting of the gas and slowing right down didn't work.

This post has been edited by hulkrogan on May 19 2005, 02:58 PM

[photon]

Originally posted by Eddie Bronze@May 19 2005, 01:24 PM
I had around 2 car lengths and had nearly come to a stop when I felt the push from behind, I looked in the rear view mirror and then the next push came, a much harder push that caused my neck to snap back and I blacked out.

Domino accidents like that are the worst.. everyone pays for the inattention or close following of a few.

But you mentioned 2 car lengths gap, and you mentioned a construction zone so I'll assume the limit was 50km/h.

The two second following distance is talked about a lot, and at 50km/h 2 seconds is 90 feet. Cars are what, 15 feet long?

So at 50km/h, two car lengths is only 2/3rds of a second, and 0.2 seconds minimum reaction time only gives you half a second of space. The second car only has to stop less than half a second slower than the first car, but each successive car has to stop quicker, until someone isn't paying attention or exceeds the stopping capability of their car and hits the car in front.

And that's all assuming everyone has an ideal reaction time, isn't shoulder checking or glancing up at the traffic light, etc etc...

It's interesting to see the actions people take, it says alot about them as people. And it's kind of scary really.

[Eddie Bronze]

That's a pretty darn good break down of that photon, but I can be 100% I was going nowhere near the posted 50km/h. Right at the lights on Northmount and 14th, everyone was bottlenecking trying to get into the one lane available so traffic was nearly at a stand-still at the bottom of the hill. As we were coming up that hill and starting on the straight stretch along the golf course, I was up to around 30km/h at the absolute most.

*It may also be noted (at least from my point) that I just spent over $1000 to have a complete brake job done so I've got all new routers, pads, cylinders, everything.

[fredr123]

What time was your accident Eddie? I was coming home from work yesterday (around 7pm) and saw a few cars pulled over on 14th. It was just north of 24th ave. A police car was there with the other cars pulled over in the lane closed for construction. Was that you guys?

[Looger]

http://www.soc.hawaii.edu/leonj/459s...a/Report1.html

interesting issues raised:

While going over past generation reports I came across the report done by Denise Tanaka. In her report she admits to being a tailgator. She believes that people tailgate because the rewards greatly outweigh any punishment. She says that although many tailgaters come close, most do not get into accidents. Denise feels success even if she simply makes the driver uncomfortable. By doing this and getting away with it this becomes a big reinforcer for her. Denise acknowledges the fact that tailgating violates the rights of others and says in the future she will try relax and not let things bother her as much, I wish her luck.


I believe she points out a serious problem that occurs with tailgating behaviors. If someone tailgates and succedes in getting their way, it rewards this unfortunate habit. By doing so it reinforces their behavior and they continue on their self destructive path. Granted, they may also recieve some negative reinforcement which might deter them from their actions, but the desire to get your way, I would imagine, would overrule any minor negative reinforcement. However, powerful negative experiences (ie: crashes, someone pulling out a gun) may have a more lasting effect. But, like Denise says, many of the people who do tailgate may never get this intense negative reinforcement. And like she says the rewards greatly outweigh any punishment. Denise feels anger when someone wrongs her on the road. Therefor she thinks that she is justified in her actions. She tailgates knowing that it is wrong, however I suppose in the heat of the moment vengeance outweighs logic. But what type of circumstance would provoke such hostility?

yep, tailgating is a brilliant idea.

tailgate on, Bring_Back_Shantz.

one day you'll tailgate someone who objects.

good luck.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 05:07 PM
Let people play games with your life? That's the worste excuse I've ever heard.

By pulling over you are stopping them from playing games with your life.

Besides, if they are tailgating you, what's the worst that could happen in this game of life and death that you are so concerned about? Let's see, you could have to suddenly slam on your brakes and they could hit you. Well it seems to me that you did everyting in your power to make sure that happened, so don't give me the playing with your life arguement. They were being jerks and doing something dangerous so instead of doing the mature thing, you acted like an idiot and put more people in danger.

Yeah, the "I'll teach this @$$hole a lesson" theory on life is a real good way to go around living. I'm sure these people learned their lessons along with all the other idiots you have fixed with your methods. Now if only you could fix yourself.

i'd rather choose the time and nature of the collision, thank you very much.

because in this instance me slowing down to pull over would have been a mild bump at least.

she was so close, pulling over to the side may have done it. intellectually reasoning it out now, having her hit my bumper rather than run her white honda down the side of my black car is a better idea.

intellectually reasoning it out...

hmmmmm...

tough to do when someone's

MESSING WITH YOU ON THE ROAD

no one could ever tell me that tailgating the only other car on the road is acceptable behaviour, why don't you try it?

if you don't have a collision, let us know. bring video.

[Looger]

http://www.hs-attorneys.com/auto_accidents.htm

The most frequent cause of auto accidents is aggressive driving. This can include speeding, tailgating, driving under the influence, unsafe maneuvering, failure to yield right of way, and disregard for traffic controls. This sort of reckless driving is against the law, and a driver who causes an auto accident through such actions can be found liable for the damages that result.

listed

BY A LAWYER

as ahead of impaired driving.

[Eddie Bronze]

Originally posted by fredr123@May 19 2005, 07:14 PM
What time was your accident Eddie? I was coming home from work yesterday (around 7pm) and saw a few cars pulled over on 14th. It was just north of 24th ave. A police car was there with the other cars pulled over in the lane closed for construction. Was that you guys?

That was definitely us my friend. I would have been the guy leaned over the back of my (red) car with a red Stamps hat on. Felt like I was gonna throw up.

[Eddie Bronze]

That stuff you quoted there Looger, that stuff happens every day. There are so many people who push right up next to you if they can't go around to try and get you to go faster so they won't be 2 minutes late or so they can just beat that one green that is about to turn yellow. They know by doing it they are putting pressure on the driver in front. I admit I feel that pressure sometimes and give into it, I know I shouldn't. They don't think about the person in the car. They don't think about their kids at home or their wife or any of their family when they are doing this. All they can think is faster, not safer.

I look at the citybeat site every now and then and every time I check it, there are more Fatal crashes listed. People will never get it. Stop fiddling with your radios and your cellphones and your hair and your makeup and watch the damn road. Your life and lives of other depend on it. I think too many people don't realize that cars are not toys. My guess would be that not paying attention and not maintaining a proper following distance have to be the two main reasons for collisions. There's no need for this stuff.

[photon]

Originally posted by Looger@May 19 2005, 09:14 PM
http://www.hs-attorneys.com/auto_accidents.htm

The most frequent cause of auto accidents is aggressive driving. This can include speeding, tailgating, driving under the influence, unsafe maneuvering, failure to yield right of way, and disregard for traffic controls. This sort of reckless driving is against the law, and a driver who causes an auto accident through such actions can be found liable for the damages that result.

listed

BY A LAWYER

as ahead of impaired driving.

I bolded the real point. Aggressive driving would also include causing near accidents or accidents on purpose to "teach someone a lesson". I highly doubt the lawyer being quoted would advocate the sort of measures some seem to find reasonable.

Just becaues someone thinks that endangering others isn't a reasonable way to deal with poor drivers doesn't mean they actually support tailgating.

And Eddie you are right, too many people do not take driving seriously enough. But that doesn't give people the right to go out and enforce their own brand of vigilante justice.

If you see someone doing something that endangers others, record their license plate and call the police. They actually follow them up and will investigate and take action against them.

[shoestring]

If yall would just slow down we would all get there quicker and safer.

And obey the laws! If it says 100 just do 100.
Think of guys that p*ss you off and don't do that!
Shoulder check please. Do twenty in a thirty zone.

Just make sure you got a hemi under the hood to get out of trouble.

[Eddie Bronze]

Hey, I'm not for what's being suggested in this thread at all. The license plate route is the way to go and if enough people did that, the police would start to see patterns and the bad drivers could get weeded out. I've never reported someones license, although there's been a few times I felt like it. Speeding up intentionally when I tired to pass someone and forcing me to bail as we approached a blind corner comes to mind (not here in AB). I heard them speaking about it recently on the radio, and how they are setting up a line specific for this kind of thing. Hopefully many people take advantage of it.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Eddie Bronze@May 20 2005, 03:53 AM
That stuff you quoted there Looger, that stuff happens every day.

oh, i know.

maybe that's why people get so agitated aboot it.

[Looger]

Originally posted by photon@May 20 2005, 04:18 AM
I bolded the real point. Aggressive driving would also include causing near accidents or accidents on purpose to "teach someone a lesson". I highly doubt the lawyer being quoted would advocate the sort of measures some seem to find reasonable.

consider serious tailgating to vigilante justice / people braking to shake the gaters on a 1000-1 scale, or even more skewed than that.

this is a big problem, and the one time in a 1000 that someone does something aboot it pales by comparison.

[photon]

Sorry, but you can't justify something by saying another problem is bigger, that's flawed reasoning.

[Looger]

Originally posted by photon@May 20 2005, 02:52 PM
Sorry, but you can't justify something by saying another problem is bigger, that's flawed reasoning.

sorry, but sounds like the type of logic that calls people defending their country "terrorists"

[photon]

Poor Looger, the persecuted driver defending all that is right and good, one intentional accident at a time.

We should build a wall around you.

[Phanuthier]

Bizarre thread... I honestly can't see the strong argument for slamming on your breaks and causing an accident to teach someone a lesson. Now I'm not critisizing people who say they do that - I've heard alot of people say they'd do that - but how hard is it to just switch lanes? Other car passes you, your no longer being tailgated... everyone wins!

The only time I've ever had alot of trouble with being tailgated and gotten p*ssed off was on the highway once... I switched lanes, guy continues to tailgate me... I slow down progressively, then once I hit 70 turned on the emergency blinkers. Scared the shinguard out of the tailgater, guy switched lanes, passed me and just fired off.

[Eddie Bronze]

Originally posted by Phanuthier@May 20 2005, 01:09 PM
I honestly can't see the strong argument for slamming on your breaks and causing an accident to teach someone a lesson.

That's potentially one of the most moronic things I've ever heard of. Once contact begins between two forces, you are out of control as to what happens next. It's bad enough that accidents happen, to hear there are people out there that cause them intentionally is a real p*ss off. You jackasses are contributing to higher insurance rates, more injuries and a whole hell of lot more stress in peoples lives. Wise up.

[Phanuthier]

Originally posted by Eddie Bronze+May 20 2005, 08:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eddie Bronze @ May 20 2005, 08:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Phanuthier@May 20 2005, 01:09 PM
I honestly can't see the strong argument for slamming on your breaks and causing an accident to teach someone a lesson.

That's potentially one of the most moronic things I've ever heard of. Once contact begins between two forces, you are out of control as to what happens next. It's bad enough that accidents happen, to hear there are people out there that cause them intentionally is a real p*ss off. You jackasses are contributing to higher insurance rates, more injuries and a whole hell of lot more stress in peoples lives. Wise up. [/b][/quote]
Umm... I'm not sure if you were implying otherwise, but I was saying it *was* a stupid idea to slam on your breaks.