Its incredible the lengths people go out of their way to be offended by something. The vitriolic reaction to the ultra minority of people who smoke by non-smokers is a little much. Smoking was removed from virtually every public space and yet the complaints haven't just remained, they've actually increased over time.
The reason everyone goes nuts on it now is because a big chunk of the population has recently quit. I can honestly say no one gets an uppity hate on for smoking like recent ex-smokers. As a non-smoker, I find it pretty funny and completely harmless.
It's also funny to see their still smoking friends get all mad like one of their crew sold out on them.
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Listen smokers, smoke if you want to, light 'em up, whatever.
Just don't do it RIGHT at the doorway where people who don't smoke have to try and walk through you like a smoke-filled maze.
Step off to the side and smoke. It's the law...read the damn signs outside the doorways for confirmation.
Was there a single smoker in here who actually defended the right to directly breathe smoke on people passing by? Seems to me that the smokers in the thread have just been defending the right to do what they please in a respectful way, and to be respected. It's the non-smokers making all the fuss.
Generally, I find casual smokers to be nicer, more social people, precisely because smoking seems to be one of the few things where near or complete strangers can still strike up random conversations. The militant non-smokers are almost always holier-than-thou pricks.
Was there a single smoker in here who actually defended the right to directly breathe smoke on people passing by? Seems to me that the smokers in the thread have just been defending the right to do what they please in a respectful way, and to be respected. It's the non-smokers making all the fuss.
Generally, I find casual smokers to be nicer, more social people, precisely because smoking seems to be one of the few things where near or complete strangers can still strike up random conversations. The militant non-smokers are almost always holier-than-thou pricks.
There seemed to be a tone, but not all, no. The post wasn't necessarily meant to be toward all the smokers who posted here, but also to those smokers who do in fact stand directly in front of the doorway.
Basically it presents a study that reveals that the shortened lifespan of smokers actually saves society money. Worth a listen or a read.
Hmmm wouldn't the logical extrapolation of that be increasing the toxicity of cigarettes infinitely more - so that it kills in say . . . a day or a week? It would sure cut down on things like lung and mouth cancers along with their associated health care burdens on society.
Generally, I find casual smokers to be nicer, more social people, precisely because smoking seems to be one of the few things where near or complete strangers can still strike up random conversations. The militant non-smokers are almost always holier-than-thou pricks.
hey, don't say that. I mean, just look at this thread for evidence to the contrary. They all seem like lovely, non-prickish folk.
I learned when I was very very young dealing with my parents that you cannot have a logical conversation about a topic, when that topic is something the other person is addicted to.
This is basically the bottom line. Smokers suffer from the illness of addiction. You can't ask for an addict to provide a reasonable response.
Smokers have no idea how bad they smell or how offensive second hand smoke is until they quit.
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This is basically the bottom line. coffee drinkers suffer from the illness of addiction. You can't ask for an addict to provide a reasonable response.
Coffee drinkers have no idea how bad their breath smells or how jittery it makes them until they quit.
fyp. Replace with any of 500 other addictions.
I've never, ever had a discussion with a smoker who thought the smoke didn't smell. Not all of them find it disgusting but they know that it is there.
I also love the underlying way that the word addict is used. If I didn't know any better I'd think we were talking about meth addicts who sold their house and sucked some scabby dick for a drag. Although I guess that is part of the problem. When that is how you look at those people how could anyone expect a reasonable response?
I don't consider myself a smoker (I smoke the occasional pipe - such as maybe once a month). I'm certainly not addicted to tobacco and I think the points I've made are fair. I think it's totally unfair to state that somebody simply can't have any legitimacy in an argument until they're on the same side as you.
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I've never, ever had a discussion with a smoker who thought the smoke didn't smell. Not all of them find it disgusting but they know that it is there.
I also love the underlying way that the word addict is used. If I didn't know any better I'd think we were talking about meth addicts who sold their house and sucked some scabby dick for a drag. Although I guess that is part of the problem. When that is how you look at those people how could anyone expect a reasonable response?
your right...plowing through a group of coffee drinkers standing in front of a Timmies is EXACTLY the same thing as a group of smokers! That vile coffee smell gets infested in my suit.
I've never, ever had a discussion with a smoker who thought the smoke didn't smell. Not all of them find it disgusting but they know that it is there.
I also love the underlying way that the word addict is used. If I didn't know any better I'd think we were talking about meth addicts who sold their house and sucked some scabby dick for a drag. Although I guess that is part of the problem. When that is how you look at those people how could anyone expect a reasonable response?
That would be great if we were talking about those addictions...but we are not. Considering the dependence rating (higher than heroin, cocaine, alcohol, caffeine, and marijuana - dated study and I am not sure if it has been changed/updated) I think it is relatively safe to assume that you will not get a reasonable/rational answer from smokers. It basically comes down to rationalizing an irrational act.
That would be great if we were talking about those addictions...but we are not. Considering the dependence rating (higher than heroin, cocaine, alcohol, caffeine, and marijuana - dated study and I am not sure if it has been changed/updated) I think it is relatively safe to assume that you will not get a reasonable/rational answer from smokers. It basically comes down to rationalizing an irrational act.
So you're comparing heroin, a drug that people literally kill, prostitute, steal etc for, to nicotine, a drug that people...purchase legally at their local 7/11.
How are those remotely similar?
Comments like "well when you're dealing with that kind of addict" make no sense. This is the same stuff I addressed earlier. Yes, nicotine is addicting. No it is not "just like crack" and one of "those" types of addictions. Study or no study that is bull####. Smoking has never ruined someone's life the way coke/heroin have. Yes they may die, but smokers know that. They may even rationalize it with crap like "well, we all die" but that isn't the point.
The point is that there is no "illness of addiction". That has absolutely nothing to do with smoking in a doorway. I'm blown away anyone could even make that link.
This is about people being inconsiderate dicks. Always has. Throwing out the other comments about cancer and addiction is just a way to heavily slant your argument.
There is no business talking about smokers like that. It is laughable. I have personally seen people empty their bank account and sell their truck for an 8ball. People have done many illegal things to get hard drugs, including murder, prostitution, violence etc.
I have never heard of someone killing a Macs employee because they couldn't afford smokes.
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your right...plowing through a group of coffee drinkers standing in front of a Timmies is EXACTLY the same thing as a group of smokers! That vile coffee smell gets infested in my suit.
I'm not sure that we're on the same page. Or you quoted the wrong guy.
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So you're comparing heroin, a drug that people literally kill, prostitute, steal etc for, to nicotine, a drug that people...purchase legally at their local 7/11.
How are those remotely similar?
And it has nothing to do with rationalizing an irrational act. It has to do with comments like "well when you're dealing with that kind of addict".
There is no business talking about smokers like that. It is laughable. I have personally seen people empty their bank account and sell their truck for an 8ball. People have done many illegal things to get hard drugs, including murder, prostitution, violence etc.
I have never heard of someone killing a Macs employee because they couldn't afford smokes.
well hang on thar fella. Make cigarettes illegal and see how people react. Right now the big diff is that a cigarette addict can walk to the local corner store and buy his fix...a heroin addict cant do that, hence the extremes. Would it be the same? I dunno, but Ill bet ya that there would be quite a few smokers who would take a similar step.
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Wow, you know you live a cushy, worry free lifestyle when one of you major beefs is having to smell smoke outside and coming off of peoples clothing. Unreal! Sorry folks, people outside in the world can smell however they like and smoke as many cigarettes as they want, your personal preferences do not supersede law.
Now, if someone is smoking inside of the 5 metre zone outside of a doorway I agree, that is not cool, it is against the law and that law is made very visible in most public doorways. But if you think you have the "right" to not smell smoke coming off someone else in an elevator, your not only dead wrong, you've also got some serious entitlement issues.
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well hang on thar fella. Make cigarettes illegal and see how people react. Right now the big diff is that a cigarette addict can walk to the local corner store and buy his fix...a heroin addict cant do that, hence the extremes. Would it be the same? I dunno, but Ill bet ya that there would be quite a few smokers who would take a similar step.
Yeah but what on earth does that have to do with smokers outside of a doorway?
And either way it is true. You can buy cigarettes legally, you can't buy heroin legally. This debate isn't centered around the effects of illegalization of cigarettes. At least that's not what I'm talking about, nor are the posts I'm responding to.
I'm responding to people using "it causes cancer" and "they're addicts, worse than heroin!!" to describe why people smoke in doorways. That's misleading and basically lying.
The real reason is that people are dicks. The same people who litter their McD's, let their dog #### on your lawn and cut you off in traffic are the problem. It's not about smoking, it is about the dickhead people doing it.
If you wanted to argue that a higher percentage of inconsiderate dicks smoke, I'd love to hear it but I don't know how you'd ever prove it.
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spray as you pass by.
