Ryan Dunn of "Jackass" fame dies

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't see what makes it so difficult to do both. This isn't directed at you, rather other people in the thread, but it's always puzzled me why people seem to be incapable of having sympathy for the loss of someone's life even if the circumstances were foolish. I mean we aren't animals, there's an ability to have compassion while still condemning the action.

While I agree with you in the context of drug overdoses and suicides, I think the reaction that many people have to drunk driving deaths is, "good - that's one less drunk driver putting innocent lives at risk."

At least, as someone whose parents were killed by a drunk driver, that's my reaction.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by gargamel

While I agree with you in the context of drug overdoses and suicides, I think the reaction that many people have to drunk driving deaths is, "good - that's one less drunk driver putting innocent lives at risk."

At least, as someone whose parents were killed by a drunk driver, that's my reaction.

I understand that, and largely agree, but I still have compassion for the fact that someone lost their life.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Starfishy

For real? I don't think speed limits are set based on what the theoretical top speed of a sports car are. I don't think the top speed of his vehicle should have any bearing on how we treat him for going well over the posted limit.

So you figure 180 is the top speed of that car? I bet your Civic could go that fast lol.

I said 180 wasn't necessarily extreme in "some circumstances". We don't know everything that led up to the crash at this point, but yeah, no doubt speed didn't help.

I'll bet there are many on this board that have driven that fast in a performance car (or worse) and can vouch for the fact that it's not the craziest thing you can do.

[Shades]

The idiot deseverved to die! If he lived, he would get off easy because the justice system in Canada is soft on criminals.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Sliver

So you figure 180 is the top speed of that car? I bet your Civic could go that fast lol.

I said 180 wasn't necessarily extreme in "some circumstances". We don't know everything that led up to the crash at this point, but yeah, no doubt speed didn't help.

I'll bet there are many on this board that have driven that fast in a performance car (or worse) and can vouch for the fact that it's not the craziest thing you can do.

No doubt many cars can go faster than 180 including the 911, but that's irrelevant. If he crashed into something at 180 then it's pretty much instant death. That's crazy fast to crashing into something at while on a public road.

[Sliver]

Yeah for sure. I don't even know what my point was, other than the fact that he was doing 180 didn't strike as that outrageous.

[Finny61]

Watched Jackass 3 last night, love it when they turn on the jet engine and start firing fruit and shoes at the poor sap in the field. LOL

[Kybosh]

Anyway you slice it, it was a recipe for disaster. Night driving? Check. Fast vehicle driving at a fast rate? Check. Alcohol? Check.

Every drink you have reduces your reaction time substantially (despite what many many many people believe) and affects your decision making abilities.

At least they didn't hit another vehicle or a pedestrian.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

I'm just curious...you KNOW Clarence Clemons loved to smoke the reefer, as he described in his autobiography. No, he didn't die in relation to his habits, but what if he did? Would you have started a tribute thread?

The only difference between Dunn's alleged illegal act of drinking and driving and Clemons' illegal act of smoking pot, is that Dunn's death was directly related. You're clearly anti-dunk driving which is great, but you can't pick and choose between the justification of illegal acts. It's almost as if you base your opinions on the way someone dies.

Also, just a reminder that at this point Dunn's death is not yet confirmed to be alcohol related. I will concede that chances are, he was under the influence, but you can't judge so quickly without evidence.

Show me where Clemon's smoking of pot put someone in direct danger of a horrible, sudden and violent death.

Dunn chose to drink, Dunn chose to give a ride to a passenge, Dunn chose to drive really fast after drinking.

The choice is pretty easy for me, and maybe I'm a bit of a preacher, if your going to drink, at the very least hand off your keys, or get a designated driver, or whatever.

Unless you can show me where Clemons' was sitting on his couch smoking some grass and suddenly the couch started up and squeeled out of its living room spot at high speed and ran over his room mate, I don't see where there are any similarities.

And also as I've said in other threads about the legalization of grass, I have no trouble legalizing it if its handled properly.

Its not the illegal act in this case that I'm pissed about, its the fact that this guy basically murdered his friend because he made a bad choice, was selfish etc.

[Starfishy]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah for sure. I don't even know what my point was, other than the fact that he was doing 180 didn't strike as that outrageous.

It strikes me as odd that you don't think doing 180 at 3am on public roads is not outrageous. That was kind of my point. I realize that even a civic can do 180, my point was that just because a civic "can" do 180 doesn't mean it "should" do 180 on public roads at 3 am.

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by Shades

The idiot deseverved to die! If he lived, he would get off easy because the justice system in Canada is soft on criminals.

Who said anything about Canada?

Are those who think he deserved what he got going to say the same thing if someone close to them (like a son or daughter) kills themself as a result of driving under the influence?

If you're close to someone who loses their life because they drove while under the influence I have a hard time believing you would say, "the idiot deserved it." If you show sympathy towards a loved one who chose to drink and drive, then you're a hypocrite.

I will say that if Dunn was arrested and charged for DUI, I wouldn't feel sorry for him. But, losing your life is the ultimate debt to pay for a senseless act and showing some sympathy isn't too much to ask.

[YYC in LAX]

Here's a preliminary autopsy report and update for those interested:

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b2484...y_results.html

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Starfishy

It strikes me as odd that you don't think doing 180 at 3am on public roads is not outrageous. That was kind of my point. I realize that even a civic can do 180, my point was that just because a civic "can" do 180 doesn't mean it "should" do 180 on public roads at 3 am.

Yeah, I really don't. I use all 340 horses under my hood when I pass somebody on the highway. This is a day and age where Hyundais have 300+ horsepower. How many BMW 335is do you see in Calgary on any given day? They can do 0-60 in under five seconds!

Hitting 180 uses about half the capability of half the cars out there. Sorry to break it to you, but people are hitting 180 out there numerous times daily in every county in North America. Of course they shouldn't, but it's not like you instantly self-destruct if you do. Sure it's dangerous, but there are places and times where it's less dangerous to do. Too bad for Ryan Dunn he did it wrong, but in the big scheme of things it's not that crazy.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Who said anything about Canada?

Are those who think he deserved what he got going to say the same thing if someone close to them (like a son or daughter) kills themself as a result of driving under the influence?

Read the post above his.

If you're close to someone who loses their life because they drove while under the influence I have a hard time believing you would say, "the idiot deserved it." If you show sympathy towards a loved one who chose to drink and drive, then you're a hypocrite.

I will say that if Dunn was arrested and charged for DUI, I wouldn't feel sorry for him. But, losing your life is the ultimate debt to pay for a senseless act and showing some sympathy isn't too much to ask.

I applaud your effort in trying to bring sensibility to the internet, but this probably isn't the best case to do it with. It's hard to get people to care for people they barely know let alone recognize from movies where he is one of a dozen guys that gets paid handsomely to do stupid things....and he died doing something stupid.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, I really don't. I use all 340 horses under my hood when I pass somebody on the highway. This is a day and age where Hyundais have 300+ horsepower. How many BMW 335is do you see in Calgary on any given day? They can do 0-60 in under five seconds!

Hitting 180 uses about half the capability of half the cars out there. Sorry to break it to you, but people are hitting 180 out there numerous times daily in every county in North America. Of course they shouldn't, but it's not like you instantly self-destruct if you do. Sure it's dangerous, but there are places and times where it's less dangerous to do. Too bad for Ryan Dunn he did it wrong, but in the big scheme of things it's not that crazy.

Numerous people acting like idiots doesn't make any one of them less of an idiot. Doing 180 on a surface street is that crazy.

[Shades]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, I really don't. I use all 340 horses under my hood when I pass somebody on the highway. This is a day and age where Hyundais have 300+ horsepower. How many BMW 335is do you see in Calgary on any given day? They can do 0-60 in under five seconds!

Hitting 180 uses about half the capability of half the cars out there. Sorry to break it to you, but people are hitting 180 out there numerous times daily in every county in North America. Of course they shouldn't, but it's not like you instantly self-destruct if you do. Sure it's dangerous, but there are places and times where it's less dangerous to do. Too bad for Ryan Dunn he did it wrong, but in the big scheme of things it's not that crazy.

I wonder when we'll see your name in one of these threads and whether CP will give you Fotze's Number #1 or Number #2 response.

[Shades]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Who said anything about Canada?

Are those who think he deserved what he got going to say the same thing if someone close to them (like a son or daughter) kills themself as a result of driving under the influence?

If you're close to someone who loses their life because they drove while under the influence I have a hard time believing you would say, "the idiot deserved it." If you show sympathy towards a loved one who chose to drink and drive, then you're a hypocrite.

I will say that if Dunn was arrested and charged for DUI, I wouldn't feel sorry for him. But, losing your life is the ultimate debt to pay for a senseless act and showing some sympathy isn't too much to ask.

Just read the post right above the one of mine you quoted and you would understand where it was taken from.

But since you took the time to respond, I'll do the same. People know drinking and driving is dangerous. We are warned all the time and yet people still do it. Of course I would feel horrible if a loved one died, but then doesn't mean they weren't an idiot for drinking and driving.

It's a choice people make. Live (or die) with the consequences.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by valo403

Numerous people acting like idiots doesn't make any one of them less of an idiot. Doing 180 on a surface street is that crazy.

Yeah, fair enough. On a crazy scale I give it maybe a 6.5/10. That doesn't qualify as an italicized that to me, but it's still pretty quick.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, fair enough. On a crazy scale I give it maybe a 6.5/10. That doesn't qualify as an italicized that to me, but it's still pretty quick.

I'm happy I don't live in the same city as you

[Sliver]

Why not? Who says I drive 180? The fact that I don't find it that crazy doesn't mean I do it.