I doubt Harper is going to win, but if he does...

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Sammie+Apr 24 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sammie @ Apr 24 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Discussion?

Raise your hands if anything said in this thread has thoroughly convinced you that your original beliefs are wrong and its time to join the other side.

Anyone?

I doubt it. These Liberal/Conservative(Green) threads are tiring exercises of fine-tuning exactly where our political differences lie, and then belittling each other. We all whip out 'facts' that conveniently support our arguments, but probably all lack the comprehensive viewpoint to make an 'objective' judgement call on any of this.

Its too bad we can't create a separate room for these threads. I'd probably only post there

We obviously have a "failure to communicate" problem here. Perhaps we should consider counseling before we split up "amicably" to separate rooms. Besides, I'd get tired of posting to myself and people who agree with everything I say. I'd be bored in no time at all! ;_; :blush: :unsure: [/b][/quote]
I don't think there's a 'failure to communicate', I just don't think there's a point if both sides are so staunchly committed to their cause. You don't sense a stubbornness from people on both sides of the issue? You're so blind as to truly believe that you're right, and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

I'm knocked over by the 'whooshing' sound my last post made over your head.

I suggested (jokingly) a separate thread for these arguments because they're exercises in futility and pure political homerism. And you come back with... pure political homerism. Surprise surprise. Debating politics around here is like exercising the mental muscle w/ a half-pound weight, the gains don't justify time/effort spent.

[CaptainCrunch]

suggested (jokingly) a separate thread for these arguments because they're exercises in futility and pure political homerism. And you come back with... pure political homerism. Surprise surprise. Debating politics around here is like exercising the mental muscle w/ a half-pound weight, the gains don't justify time/effort spent.

Holy cow, thats one of the most arrogant statements that I've ever read. You might as well have called everyone who dosen't agree with your point of view idiots.

[Hakan]

They aren't?

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Apr 25 2005, 03:05 PM
suggested (jokingly) a separate thread for these arguments because they're exercises in futility and pure political homerism. And you come back with... pure political homerism. Surprise surprise. Debating politics around here is like exercising the mental muscle w/ a half-pound weight, the gains don't justify time/effort spent.

Holy cow, thats one of the most arrogant statements that I've ever read. You might as well have called everyone who dosen't agree with your point of view idiots.

Arrogant to assume that people aren't here to have their minds changed?

Are you honestly perusing opposing points of view, ready to change your mind? I doubt it. Just like most people here, you stick around to put out your point of view and defend it, not to get converted.

Have you honestly witnessed someone do an about-face on their political ideology here as a result of this left/right personal bashing?

I guess I'm arrogant to think that some of this is a waste of time, when its obviously a pure exercise in the exchange of ideas. Whatever.

[MarchHare]

[Tron_fdc]

So THAT'S where that picture came from!!! One of THE MOST photochopped on the net.

[Faid1]

So how do the conservatives stack up to Republicans?

[Blaster86]

Originally posted by Faid1@Apr 25 2005, 04:08 PM
So how do the conservatives stack up to Republicans?

Republican lite. All the big business selling out, stereotyping, xenophobic dicking around with only half the hardcore bible thumping evangelicals.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by MarchHare@Apr 24 2005, 09:01 PM

The current Liberal government can work (in theory at least) because the Libs have natural socially-left allies in the NDP and Bloc, and they can throw the CPC a bone or two in the budget like corporate tax cuts to get it passed.

Who's going to help a CPC minority pass anything? Ironically, the closest party to the Conservatives are the Liberals, and I really don't see them cooperating in the near future should the CPC bring down the Libs. A Conservative minority is more likely to fall within a year than the current Liberal minority is.

The current Liberal government is totally out of the question as long as there is any doubt there may be any Adscan crooks in the party. Paul Marten, himself, is tainted by the scandal and should step aside until the Gomery inquiry has run its course.

If police office have to be suspend for have to kill a crook in self defense until a revue of the incident has been completed, so the acting government caught in acts of gross corruption should be removed from power and all high ranking party officials suspended until a revue has been completed.

A temporary government made up of a cross section of all parties should act on an interim basis until the revue has been completed and an election has been held. Crooks should NEVER be kept in power so they can continue to cover their tracks and manipulate the public through lies, trickery and bribes.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@Apr 25 2005, 08:20 AM
I don't think there's a 'failure to communicate', I just don't think there's a point if both sides are so staunchly committed to their cause. You don't sense a stubbornness from people on both sides of the issue? You're so blind as to truly believe that you're right, and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

I'm knocked over by the 'whooshing' sound my last post made over your head.

I suggested (jokingly) a separate thread for these arguments because they're exercises in futility and pure political homerism. And you come back with... pure political homerism. Surprise surprise. Debating politics around here is like exercising the mental muscle w/ a half-pound weight, the gains don't justify time/effort spent.

I noted the "jokingly" nature of your comment and responded in kind. Your response to my reply truly blows me away. Do you have a sense of humor or are you always in attack mode? Get over yourself and your self-righteous indignation!

[Flame On]

Apparently the Cons approval ratings are already dropping! lol
Seems fitting for the title of the thread.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by Blaster86+Apr 25 2005, 11:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blaster86 @ Apr 25 2005, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Faid1@Apr 25 2005, 04:08 PM
So how do the conservatives stack up to Republicans?

Republican lite. All the big business selling out, stereotyping, xenophobic dicking around with only half the hardcore bible thumping evangelicals. [/b][/quote]
kinda like how the Liberal party is represented by closed minded, elitist, know it all criminal scumbags.

Opps did I say that out loud

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Flame On@Apr 25 2005, 06:38 PM
Apparently the Cons approval ratings are already dropping! lol
Seems fitting for the title of the thread.

Keep up the wishful thinking.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Sammie+Apr 25 2005, 10:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sammie @ Apr 25 2005, 10:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flame On@Apr 25 2005, 06:38 PM
Apparently the Cons approval ratings are already dropping! lol
Seems fitting for the title of the thread.

Keep up the wishful thinking. [/b][/quote]
It's not wishful thinking...a poll conducted over the weekend shows the CPC with 32% nationally and the Liberals with 27%...not exactly the double-digit lead the Conservatives had just a week ago.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yes, but people have been continueing to say that polls don't equal votes, so if thats the logic, then this is great news for the Conservatives.

[Blaster86]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch+Apr 25 2005, 06:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CaptainCrunch @ Apr 25 2005, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Republican lite. All the big business selling out, stereotyping, xenophobic dicking around with only half the hardcore bible thumping evangelicals.

kinda like how the Liberal party is represented by closed minded, elitist, know it all criminal scumbags.

Opps did I say that out loud [/b][/quote]
Close-Minded? Last I checked they were fence sitters, they don't have a mind. They just do what is popular.

Besides, as stated Theives or So-Cons? Theives.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch+Apr 25 2005, 06:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CaptainCrunch @ Apr 25 2005, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Republican lite. All the big business selling out, stereotyping, xenophobic dicking around with only half the hardcore bible thumping evangelicals.

kinda like how the Liberal party is represented by closed minded, elitist, know it all criminal scumbags.

Opps did I say that out loud [/b][/quote]
Perhaps a lesson in words Captain. Open mindedness to me means those who perhaps want to allow something that is currently banned or at least look into it. For example marajuana or gay marriage. Closed mindedness is trying to impose a value system that only some hold on to that's based on superstition and prejudice. Something cons are in favor of.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch+Apr 26 2005, 01:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CaptainCrunch @ Apr 26 2005, 01:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Republican lite. All the big business selling out, stereotyping, xenophobic dicking around with only half the hardcore bible thumping evangelicals.

kinda like how the Liberal party is represented by closed minded, elitist, know it all criminal scumbags.

Opps did I say that out loud [/b][/quote]
Huh? That's the first time I've heard anyone try and argue that conservatives are more open-minded than liberals. And for good reason, it's quite clear from looking at their definition, their policies and such that it's the opposite.

I guess you consider being intolerant of gay marriage an excellent example of the conservative "open-mindedness"?

[CaptainCrunch]

Just the fact that the Liberals are completely unwilling to listen to any views other then thier own

ie "Its in the constitution stupid" lapel buttons on the gay marriage issue. Thats not the slogan of a party that believes in open debate, nor is receptive to the other side.

The fact that the Liberals can't bridge the gap with the west because they don't understand how we think, Paul Martin's words and not mind, indicates a certain amount of closed mindedness.

[MarchHare]

Just the fact that the Liberals are completely unwilling to listen to any views other then thier own

And the Conservatives are? Or the NDP or Bloc for that matter?

ie "Its in the constitution stupid" lapel buttons on the gay marriage issue. Thats not the slogan of a party that believes in open debate, nor is receptive to the other side.

The thing with the gay marriage issue is that it isn't open for debate. The supreme court has ruled that not allowing homosexuals the right to marry is unconstitutional. The government (regardless of what party they are) only has two possible options: redefine the legal status of marriage to include homosexual couples, or invoke the notwithstanding clause to continue the status quo which has been ruled to be discriminatory. That's it. There's no room at all for negotiations or compromise on this issue.

The fact that the Liberals can't bridge the gap with the west because they don't understand how we think

I think the Liberals understand quite well how Alberta thinks, but policies that work at the provincial level here would not work elsewhere in the nation, since not every province is blessed with a (black) goldmine as we are. The federal Liberals aren't able to make any headway in Alberta for the same reasons that the provincial Liberals can't -- ideologically speaking, Albertans are conservative-minded. Canadians, as a whole, are not.