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Old 03-28-2011, 03:03 PM   #81
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Considering the facts - I don't see a better way that will address all concerns including humane treatment of the animal. Not a single alternative mentioned in this thread holds up either. Being humane is one thing, stopping the spread of disease to other animals and humans is another, time, cost all this must be considered. I really don't see any other way, it's too bad.
Well a simple vaccine would have stopped the pigs getting sick in the first place.
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Old 03-28-2011, 03:26 PM   #82
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Well a simple vaccine would have stopped the pigs getting sick in the first place.
Not necessarily.

Like other viruses, the FMD virus continually evolves and mutates, thus one of the difficulties in vaccinating against FMD is the huge variation between and even within serotypes. There is no cross-protection between serotypes (meaning that a vaccine for one serotype will not protect against any others) and in addition, two strains within a given serotype may have nucleotide sequences that differ by as much as 30% for a given gene. This means that FMD vaccines must be highly specific to the strain involved. Vaccination only provides temporary immunity that lasts from months to years.
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Old 03-28-2011, 03:45 PM   #83
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Well a simple vaccine would have stopped the pigs getting sick in the first place.
If they're not spending the money to kill the pigs "humanely" what would make you think they'd spend money on a vaccine?
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:59 PM   #84
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Well, with 7 Billion people on the planet, this is the only way to feed everyone.
Because ONLY pigs can nourish?

Their exist a variety of forms of sustenance, and though I am not vegetarian, find that the level of our consumption of meat (especially in North America) is frankly disgusting.

I think meat eating is perfectly ethical; however, indulging on it with every single meal of every day transgresses ethical frontiers... And tragically, our response is not a re-evaluation of our diet. Instead we manipulate and ignore natural processes all the while creating inhumane and unhygienic conditions.

An interesting argument, which, in my mind, renders this scenario morally ambiguous, is that not having "expedited" the death of these animals with minimal contact would risked the lives of many more. However, this does not absolve the operators of this (or these) slaughterhouses. They created, for the sake of a well known economic mechanism, and little more, conditions that deserve to be abhorred.

I think accountability is due.
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If they're not spending the money to kill the pigs "humanely" what would make you think they'd spend money on a vaccine?
My reply was really to the poster who didn't think there was any other way. I know farmers (even in the western world where animal care it meant to have higher standards) don't use the vaccine - even though it can offer some protection - because it eats away at their profits. It is easier for them to slaughter whole herds of animals and get compensation than to vaccinate. In the UK (where I am from) they even slaughter the animals which show natural immunity.
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An interesting argument, which, in my mind, renders this scenario morally ambiguous, is that not having "expedited" the death of these animals with minimal contact would risked the lives of many more. However, this does not absolve the operators of this (or these) slaughterhouses. They created, for the sake of a well known economic mechanism, and little more, conditions that deserve to be abhorred.

I think accountability is due.
Says who? Have you toured the pig farms in South Korea? Of course not. So why spout off like you know what you are talking about?
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Because ONLY pigs can nourish?

Their exist a variety of forms of sustenance, and though I am not vegetarian, find that the level of our consumption of meat (especially in North America) is frankly disgusting.

I think meat eating is perfectly ethical; however, indulging on it with every single meal of every day transgresses ethical frontiers... And tragically, our response is not a re-evaluation of our diet. Instead we manipulate and ignore natural processes all the while creating inhumane and unhygienic conditions.

An interesting argument, which, in my mind, renders this scenario morally ambiguous, is that not having "expedited" the death of these animals with minimal contact would risked the lives of many more. However, this does not absolve the operators of this (or these) slaughterhouses. They created, for the sake of a well known economic mechanism, and little more, conditions that deserve to be abhorred.

I think accountability is due.
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i only watched for 30 seconds and that was too much. horrible...not a lot disturbs me but that does
Really, yeah man i dunno. You haven't seen much of the internet.
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Cleanest, most efficient way to get rid of diseased and highly contagious livestock. I don't think some people understand that they want as little human contact with these things as possible so mass lethal injections/"firing ranges" aren't exactly a good idea and they'd probably cost a fortune. Also the lady crying in the video (I think she was) was kind of over the top. They're just pigs.
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