Thank You Jay Feaster!

[Mike F]

This may have come up in another thread with Ferland talk, but I wanted to make sure it wasn't missed, so. . . .

Flames general manager Brad Treliving revealed Monday that, when he was still working for the Arizona Coyotes, he tried to talk Calgary into trading Ferland. But his predecessor, Jay Feaster, turned him down.

“A lot of people who watched him play in junior knew he was a real unique package,” Treliving said. “There was a lot of work to be done, and he’s the one who put the work in. Where he was a year ago to today is a real testament to him. If you know where this guy comes from, it’s not been an easy road. You root for those kinds of guys.”

As they say, it's not just the shots you make, but what you leave.

Full article here.

[GioforPM]

So Sutter, Feaster and Treliving all agreed. I imagine so did Burke.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Very likely Hudler ends up in the top ten for league scoring. Besides Iginla who was the last Flames player to do that? Fleury?

And paying the guy $4 million per year... that was a masterstroke by Feaster.

Hudler was a good signing but we're lucky he's comfortable at RW otherwise he was just another of the dozen or so LWs that Feaster accumulated for that season.

[Rollin22x]

With the way the league has bent and fragmented the rules over the past few games, is it possible that the ROR offer sheet wasn't as black and white as some thought? Feaster may have been correct in his interpretation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rollin22x

With the way the league has bent and fragmented the rules over the past few games, is it possible that the ROR offer sheet wasn't as black and white as some thought? Feaster may have been correct in his interpretation.

The league said what would have happened and no one has seriously disagreed.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The league said what would have happened and no one has seriously disagreed.

The wording changed from the memorandum of understanding to the actual CBA. Jay's interpretation was reasonable, hence the change.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Hudler was a good signing but we're lucky he's comfortable at RW otherwise he was just another of the dozen or so LWs that Feaster accumulated for that season.

So even Feaster's good moves are ultimately just luck? OK then

[Ryan Coke]

I'm willing to bet Feaster would have won any legal challenges related to the Ryan O'Reilly offer sheet.

I still didn't like the offer sheet to begin with, but he wouldn't have lost the player on waivers IMO.

[Flash Walken]

Say you guys ignoring reality are right here.

Best Case Scenario, Calgary trades Sean Monahan and Keegan Kanzig to Colorado for Ryan O'Reilly.

Does anyone on this board do that trade?

Even if it doesn't blow up catastrophically in the face of the organization (which it most assuredly would have given what the NHL itself said), it's still trading Monahan and Kanzig for 2 years of $6 million Ryan O'Reilly.

Is that a good trade?

Is that a trade that anyone would make right now?

No?

Then I think we should probably stop giving Feaster credit for it.

[Flashpoint]

You don't gamble with 1st round picks on "theory".

[Enoch Root]

Hey, we should debate the hypothetical fall-out of a non-trade AGAIN! That would be fun.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Say you guys ignoring reality are right here.

Best Case Scenario, Calgary trades Sean Monahan and Keegan Kanzig to Colorado for Ryan O'Reilly.

Does anyone on this board do that trade?

Even if it doesn't blow up catastrophically in the face of the organization (which it most assuredly would have given what the NHL itself said), it's still trading Monahan and Kanzig for 2 years of $6 million Ryan O'Reilly.

Is that a good trade?

Is that a trade that anyone would make right now?

No?

Then I think we should probably stop giving Feaster credit for it.

Although I want to agree with you, there is too many moving parts to make this a valid argument.

Hindsight allows you to extrapolate this but it is impossible to know what would have transpired. What draft position would we have actually surrendered, etc.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I'm willing to bet Feaster would have won any legal challenges related to the Ryan O'Reilly offer sheet.

I still didn't like the offer sheet to begin with, but he wouldn't have lost the player on waivers IMO.

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. First, the NHL commissioner is the decision-maker at first instance - essentially he's the arbitrator. A legal challenge to that interpretation has to be that it was an unreasonable interpretation, not incorrect.

Even Feaster never really seriously argued his position - they threw it out there as a face-saver, but any lawyer or other expert I ever read who looked at the argument said "nope, it's pretty clear".

[Coach]

I hope Jay is enjoying this series in the sun with a big smile across his jolly face.

Thanks Jay, you tha man.

[GioforPM]

13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs) only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim.

I can't see the wriggle room.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by edslunch

So even Feaster's good moves are ultimately just luck? OK then

It was a good move to sign Hudler. What I was getting at is that Feaster didn't seem to be able to put together a team. IMO it's taken his successors and Hartley to sort it out. This is where his inability to scout and evaluate players and determine our weaknesses and strengths came into consideration.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs) only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim.

I can't see the wriggle room.

There's wriggle room because the lockout put things into a bit of a grey area.

And also, who gives a flying raccoon? It was 2 years ago and didn't even happen. There is tons of evidence of Feaster on this team that is paying off huge right now, and all we ever focus on is this stupid scenario that didn't even actually take place.

[oldschoolcalgary]

hmmm...

the way some people talk here, it ought to be a no brainer that some organization should sign him up for a GM role, or at minimum an AGM role?

gotta be a step up from being "executive director of community hockey development" for the lightning right?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MattyC

There's wriggle room because the lockout put things into a bit of a grey area.

And also, who gives a flying raccoon? It was 2 years ago and didn't even happen. There is tons of evidence of Feaster on this team that is paying off huge right now, and all we ever focus on is this stupid scenario that didn't even actually take place.

Ummm, no a lockout doesn't change what a written agreement says.
Let's say there was a gray area though. Did Feaster check with the league? No. Is he suggesting that if he had and the league told him the position, he would have rolled the dice anyway and fought it in court? That's pretty dumb.

And I am responding to a post saying there was a chance it would have gone Feaster's way. In a fairly transparent attempt to minimize the huge gaffe (which I think was the keystone to his firing). Maybe take up the issue with the person who posed the question.

Finally, it was a scenario that DID take place. He made the offer. he just got his butt saved.

[GoJetsGo]

Super awesome discussion guys,

What about the Jankowski pick though?