Predict the Monahan and Gaudreau signings

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well than he's going to be a hold out.

Which has happened how many times since 2004? I genuinely can't think of another example.

[blender]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Johnny Gaudreau is one of the best players this franchise has ever seen, and he is, as of three days from now, barely 23. If the Flames and this superstar cannot find a deal because Brad Treliving is not willing to pay what Johnny is worth, then we need to be looking for a new GM. A holdout would be a disaster.

I don't know, dude. He's not at the level of Iginla, Fleury, Macinnis, Neiuwendyk, Mullen, Gilmour, yet.

I get that the economics of the game are different, but the Flames hold the hammer.

Monahan: 5.9 x 6
Gaudreau: 7 x 7

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by blender

I don't know, dude. He's not at the level of Iginla, Fleury, Macinnis, Neiuwendyk, Mullen, Gilmour, yet.

I get that the economics of the game are different, but the Flames hold the hammer.

Monahan: 5.9 x 6
Gaudreau: 7 x 7

Were any of those guys 6th in NHL scoring their 2nd year in the league?

[blender]

I'm not knocking Gaudreau at all. He's going to get paid and he deserves it. As you see I'm saying 7x7. I'm just calling out the "best player the franchise has ever seen" comment. He hasn't even scored 50 goals in a season.

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[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Johnny Gaudreau is one of the best players this franchise has ever seen, and he is, as of three days from now, barely 23. If the Flames and this superstar cannot find a deal because Brad Treliving is not willing to pay what Johnny is worth, then we need to be looking for a new GM. A holdout would be a disaster.

The comments on the holdout were from an 8x8 offer. If BT is not willing to pay that he needs to be fired? Drink much?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

The comments on the holdout were from an 8x8 offer. If BT is not willing to pay that he needs to be fired? Drink much?

Eight years and 64 million is a bit much, but if it gets down to the sides not being able to settle between 6 and 7.5 million, well, Brad needs to pay Johnny what he's worth, at least 7 million.

Of course, I have no insight into this and am speculating like everyone else. I would just hate to see Johnny hold out and strain his relationship with the club. For all I know, they could have already agreed. I just hope this is over soon and we don't have to worry about this for another eight years.

[ThaBrink]

Originally Posted by blender

I'm not knocking Gaudreau at all. He's going to get paid and he deserves it. As you see I'm saying 7x7. I'm just calling out the "best player the franchise has ever seen" comment. He hasn't even scored 50 goals in a season.

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He never said the best player though, he said one of the best, which I would say is a fair thing to say.

[TheScorpion]

I never said Gaudreau was the best player in franchise history. At this point, that's an insane thing to say. Iginla, Fleury, Nieuwendyk, Lanny... even Nilsson could be ahead of him. But, I stand by my comment that Gaudreau is one of the best Flames ever. Heck, by the time he retires, he could be the undisputed best Flame in history. He has that potential, and deserves to be PAID.

[Dan02]

Because Johnny is a bit of a late bloomer I think he's the ideal candidate for a bridge contract. Most players of his calibur are through their 4th or 5th nhl season at his age so they're most proven and closer to meeting UFA requirements.

From Johnnys camps perspective, we don't yet really know his ceiling, if he puts up a couple more top 10 scoring seasons, he's a 10 mil a year player in this NHL. Does he really want to lock in to say 7.5 for 7 or 8 seasons which is going to take him into his 30s and potentially miss out on a fair amount of money in his prime?

From the Flames perspective you can't justify a 10 mil salary based off just 1 elite season yet you want to keep his next contract negotiation under RFA status to maintain some control long term.

2 x 6.5, tell Johnny show me and you'll get paid.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Dan02

Because Johnny is a bit of a late bloomer I think he's the ideal candidate for a bridge contract. Most players of his calibur are through their 4th or 5th nhl season at his age so they're most proven and closer to meeting UFA requirements.

From Johnnys camps perspective, we don't yet really know his ceiling, if he puts up a couple more top 10 scoring seasons, he's a 10 mil a year player in this NHL. Does he really want to lock in to say 7.5 for 7 or 8 seasons which is going to take him into his 30s and potentially miss out on a fair amount of money in his prime?

From the Flames perspective you can't justify a 10 mil salary based off just 1 elite season yet you want to keep his next contract negotiation under RFA status to maintain some control long term.

2 x 6.5, tell Johnny show me and you'll get paid.

If he is a late bloomer, and is going to keep getting better after placing 6th in league scoring, wouldn't a bridge deal be a disaster for the team?

[blender]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I never said Gaudreau was the best player in franchise history. At this point, that's an insane thing to say. Iginla, Fleury, Nieuwendyk, Lanny... even Nilsson could be ahead of him. But, I stand by my comment that Gaudreau is one of the best Flames ever. Heck, by the time he retires, he could be the undisputed best Flame in history. He has that potential, and deserves to be PAID.

Fair enough. I misquoted you, but I still think it is a stretch to group him in with such a distinguished class based on two seasons. Potentially an all-time NHLer, but still just a very young player with a lot of room to grow his game.
Maybe I'm old school, but I'd like to see a conn smythe or an art Ross or two before I start calling him one of the best.
He's great, though and deserves to be paid. Maybe the bridge deal is the answer.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Which has happened how many times since 2004? I genuinely can't think of another example.

RoR and Johanssen both were holding out for deals. RoR singed an offer sheet to play again and Johannsen finally caved during camp (but look at how that relationship ended)

Gaudreau either needs to take a 4 year $20M deal or go 8 years for $60M (something like that)

The way I see it is pay Johnny over 7M per if he signs a max term
If he wants 7 years then I would look at the Gio cap hit for him
If he wants 6 years then I would be trying to get him under $6M

Monahan if he goes the full 8 cap him at the Gio cap hit
7 years I feel he can be paid $6.5M which still pays him more than MacKinnon, Barkov, Schiefele
If he wants 6 years than I am looking at under $6M as well

[taco.vidal]

Gaudreau's is gonna be huge. 8x8.
I think he is saying if you want me to stay in western Canada, show me the money. Otherwise I think he still wants to play out east, closer to home and that is added leverage to ask for big moolah.

[Gaudfather]

Term doesn't come cheap - my prediction.

Johnny $7.0MM x 8
Mony $6.5MM x8

[underclassman]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Why is anyone guessing in the 8M range for Gaudreau? He's an RFA, and not eligible to sign an offer sheet.

Nobody is offering him 8M... why would we?

How would you know ,
that nobody is offering him 8M ????

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by underclassman

How would you know ,
that nobody is offering him 8M ????

Well, we know for a fact that no one other than the Flames is offering him anything; him being offer sheet exempt and all.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Dan02

Because Johnny is a bit of a late bloomer I think he's the ideal candidate for a bridge contract. Most players of his calibur are through their 4th or 5th nhl season at his age so they're most proven and closer to meeting UFA requirements.

From Johnnys camps perspective, we don't yet really know his ceiling, if he puts up a couple more top 10 scoring seasons, he's a 10 mil a year player in this NHL. Does he really want to lock in to say 7.5 for 7 or 8 seasons which is going to take him into his 30s and potentially miss out on a fair amount of money in his prime?

From the Flames perspective you can't justify a 10 mil salary based off just 1 elite season yet you want to keep his next contract negotiation under RFA status to maintain some control long term.

2 x 6.5, tell Johnny show me and you'll get paid.

I think this might be more likely then some think. If you are Johnny you could put up a couple more top 10 scoring seasons then get paid. I don't know if he would want to leave all that money on the table. An 8 year contract now would be less money per year and take him out of his prime most likely.

[polak]

He could also get hurt next season and never play again.

There are concerns both ways.

[Flame19,289]

#13: $6.8M x 5 years
#23: $6.25M x 8 years

The signing will be officially announced on 8/18, when the moon is full.
Bob McKenzie is the first to break news of the signing.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think this might be more likely then some think. If you are Johnny you could put up a couple more top 10 scoring seasons then get paid. I don't know if he would want to leave all that money on the table. An 8 year contract now would be less money per year and take him out of his prime most likely.

The one advantage is the exchange rate works in the Flames favour for the foreseeable future. Pretty much a 30% bump.