Think these old leopards will do well in conjunction with modern drones + information. These things used to drive a lot more blindly than what modern day intelligence can give them. It still pew pew's
178 Leos? Man this war is staggeringly big. I just hope with the influx of all these heavy weapons, they Allies can quickly vanquish the Russians and send them home. Then build the greatest Maginot line possible on the border. Russians should stay in Russia. Forever.
Uhh...maybe something a little better? Slightly higher bar? As I recall the Maginot line was a pretty useless boondoggle.
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Uhh...maybe something a little better? Slightly higher bar? As I recall the Maginot line was a pretty useless boondoggle.
True. The Maginot line was built to prevent another WWI. The German mechanized war machine made quick work of that because France simply didn't know what Germany had, and built the line to repel what they THOUGHT Germany had.
NATO knows what Russia has, so the Ukrainian Maginot line would be designed to slow future invasions so Ukraine could better prepare.
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True. The Maginot line was built to prevent another WWI. The German mechanized war machine made quick work of that because France simply didn't know what Germany had, and built the line to repel what they THOUGHT Germany had.
NATO knows what Russia has, so the Ukrainian Maginot line would be designed to slow future invasions so Ukraine could better prepare.
Also, going through Belgium to get to Ukraine seems like it would be wildly impractical for Russia.
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Seeing that earthquake thread just makes me so angry at the Russians that they continue this madness in Ukraine. The world governments should (and can) work together for the betterment of all nations, yet the Russians, with their sizable population and resources are busy attacking a neighbor in a land grab.
Are you really surprised or shock though? Any normal decent human would have never went in there from the start. Only a piece of kyit deplorable maggot would have invaded in the first place!
Great, now my Russian Visa is prob revoked.
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Saw an excellent documentary on PBS Frontline called "Putin and the President's" It's an inside look at how Putin has dealt with the 5 US President's he's had during his time as leader.
It's a fascinating, excellent piece but it doesn't appear to be available for streaming in Canada unless you have a way of bypassing it. For those who still have cable, it might be available Tuesday on PBS stations.
Bottom line conclusion from America's standpoint, Putin will not be allowed to actually win this war but how do we stop him? He won't stop and should have been stopped years ago but massive mistakes over years have led to this.
I don't think people truly understand the scale and scope of the times we are living in regarding this. This conflict will most likely continue and expand and the west will probably get drawn in at some stage. As this documentary highlights, when Putin mention's to Bush, Ukraine is mine, butt out, with zero response, we should have believed him. With Obama, Putin think's "He's a paperweight, a stupid black man who won't respond" and Obama follows that to a T in his response (against the advice of VP Joe Biden and various US agencies) We should have believed him.
In 2007, at the Munich security conference, Putin pretty much told the world that he is going to rebuild the Soviet empire with Moscow as the center or power and he will try and deal with the ramifications as best as possible. We should have believed him.
I just hope that the powers at be, get this right in 2023.
Love him or hate him, Harper stood up to him even if it was symbolically.
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper has earned some love from the Australian media for his dustup with Russia's Vladimir Putin on the first day of the Group of 20 summit.
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MacDonald said Harper told Putin: "I guess I'll shake your hand but I have only one thing to say to you: You need to get out of Ukraine."
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But a spokesman for the Russian delegation said Putin's response was: "That's impossible because we are not there."
Maybe AFC or CC, or some of our other service members can help me out, but is there any possibility that the timeline for tank deployment in Ukraine is being used as a guise, and that they could actually get implemented much faster?
Understanding anything from the US needs more shipment time, the tanks in Europe can ge there rather quickly, and then it's up to training. Again, understanding these are complicated machines that require training to use, they are also designed to be used by soldiers, correct. Assuming you don't need an engineering background to operate them, I would think properly motivated soldiers that don't have the luxury of all the minutiae, could be up to speed on how to operate these rather quickly, no? Like within a few weeks?
That is a great quote and frankly very much needs to be said by world leaders united, but to be clear this did happen, but it happened in 2014
Exactly, 2014. The point is that Harper was not one of the world leaders that laid down when most others were laying down and appeasing Putin. And now we're here.
The strong condemnation and response we see now should have been just as robust in 2014.
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Maybe AFC or CC, or some of our other service members can help me out, but is there any possibility that the timeline for tank deployment in Ukraine is being used as a guise, and that they could actually get implemented much faster?
Understanding anything from the US needs more shipment time, the tanks in Europe can ge there rather quickly, and then it's up to training. Again, understanding these are complicated machines that require training to use, they are also designed to be used by soldiers, correct. Assuming you don't need an engineering background to operate them, I would think properly motivated soldiers that don't have the luxury of all the minutiae, could be up to speed on how to operate these rather quickly, no? Like within a few weeks?
Me a service member?? the closest I ever came was West ham Utd' s Barmy Army in the late 70's, I'm not sure trying to kick seven bells out of those j cloth wearing twats at Millwall counts as service (although it should)
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Exactly, 2014. The point is that Harper was not one of the world leaders that laid down when most others were laying down and appeasing Putin. And now we're here.
The strong condemnation and response we see now should have been just as robust in 2014.
Unfortunately the Ukrainian military in 2014 was not in the state it was in 2022 and plagued with corruption/Russian collaborators. When the Little Green Men hit Crimea, AFU folded rather quickly and couldn't have put up much of a fight. Ukraine had 8 years to train their forces, modernize, and battle harden their military staff for Putin's second attempt. If we had sent arms to Ukraine 2014, the Russians would have just captured the lot of it.
Starting coordinated economic sanctions against Russia back in 2014 would have been a good idea tho.
Exactly, 2014. The point is that Harper was not one of the world leaders that laid down when most others were laying down and appeasing Putin. And now we're here.
The strong condemnation and response we see now should have been just as robust in 2014.
Saw an excellent documentary on PBS Frontline called "Putin and the President's" It's an inside look at how Putin has dealt with the 5 US President's he's had during his time as leader.
It's a fascinating, excellent piece but it doesn't appear to be available for streaming in Canada unless you have a way of bypassing it. For those who still have cable, it might be available Tuesday on PBS stations.
Bottom line conclusion from America's standpoint, Putin will not be allowed to actually win this war but how do we stop him? He won't stop and should have been stopped years ago but massive mistakes over years have led to this.
I don't think people truly understand the scale and scope of the times we are living in regarding this. This conflict will most likely continue and expand and the west will probably get drawn in at some stage. As this documentary highlights, when Putin mention's to Bush, Ukraine is mine, butt out, with zero response, we should have believed him. With Obama, Putin think's "He's a paperweight, a stupid black man who won't respond" and Obama follows that to a T in his response (against the advice of VP Joe Biden and various US agencies) We should have believed him.
In 2007, at the Munich security conference, Putin pretty much told the world that he is going to rebuild the Soviet empire with Moscow as the center or power and he will try and deal with the ramifications as best as possible. We should have believed him.
I just hope that the powers at be, get this right in 2023.
You can watch it on Youtube. At least in the region I'm in.
I feel the west has done the right thing with Putin. Personally I wish he didn't do what he did, unfortunately he went for it. He's beat now, he's 70yrs old, eventually he'll pass. Ukraine bent but didn't break, they themselves didn't believe Putin would attack. Moving forward Ukraine will be more a part of Europe than Russia and they'll be militarised in a way with the help of Europe that the US won't have to go around playing world police.
Russian gas is at a trickle into Europe, Asian buyers for their oil are turning the screws so they are getting below the capped price, while still pushing the same supply (e.g.: deflation for us whooooo). They've got a budget hole that will get harder and harder to plug because of sanctions. China learned a lesson that taking a punt at Taiwan isn't going to be a cake walk, so it should never happen.
Sounds like the world can start getting back to becoming a little better each day. LFG.
New article just published by Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersch on the Nord Stream explosions. Claiming inside sources, it details the planning of the explosions by the US going back to 2021 and the decision to blow up the pipeline back to Feb 7th, 2022, before the Russian invasion started. According to his sources, the operation, supported by Norway, involved setting remote detonatable mines on the pipelines in June, 2022 during the NATO BALTOPS exercise in the region.
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Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.
It is not long before we discuss contemporaneous events including the alleged Russian hacking of the US presidential election. Hersh has vociferously strong opinions on the subject and smells a rat. He states that there is “a great deal of animosity towards Russia. All of that stuff about Russia hacking the election appears to be preposterous.” He has been researching the subject but is not ready to go public… yet.
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Hersh is also on the record as stating that the official version of the Skripal poisoning does not stand up to scrutiny. He tells me: “The story of novichok poisoning has not held up very well. He [Skripal] was most likely talking to British intelligence services about Russian organised crime.” The unfortunate turn of events with the contamination of other victims is suggestive, according to Hersh, of organised crime elements rather than state-sponsored actions – though this files in the face of the UK government's position.
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Hersh tells me: “I don’t necessarily buy the story that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. We really don’t have an ending to the story. I’ve known people in the [intelligence] community. We don’t know anything empirical about who did what”. He continues: “The guy was living in a cave. He really didn’t know much English. He was pretty bright and he had a lot of hatred for the US. We respond by attacking the Taliban. Eighteen years later… How’s it going guys?”
From fall 2013 to September 2015, he says, US military leaders effectively conducted a secret alliance with Assad and with Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom they saw as their best allies in fighting ISIS.
The guy sounds like a raging conspiracy theorist lunatic, and that's putting it politely.
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