2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It's clear he's been injured (and likely unmotivated).

The motivation can change in a heartbeat, but is he still playing with an injury?

If healthy (and that's likely a big if), lots of teams would love to add him for a run.

I don't see the cap as a huge problem. 2/3rds of the season will have gone by, so a 50% retention would give him a cap hit of about $1.73M.

I was looking at the possibilities for fun and lots of teams that Kane would want to go to don't even have that room, or players they can easily move to create it. Remember he has complete veto power over destination.

[dino7c]

he might go to Baffalo and sign an extension

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he might go to Baffalo and sign an extension

I can see that in the offseason but not during it.

[Monahammer]

Sell. I am confident at least one of Toffoli, Hanifin, or Mangiapane is still worth a 1st to someone. Toffoli IMO should definitely be on the way out. We are not winning in the next two seasons, and this is a cost controlled sniper with playoff experience.

Collect extra 1sts and some extra cap space. We still need a big move this offseason to be competitive and this will give us space to maneuver.

[Monahammer]

The reality is that Huberdeau and Kadri are here to stay. IMO these are immovable contracts. Our best bet is to either build to suit them, or tear down and rebuild around them, hoping that they continue to be useful contributors in lessened roles.

[Jiri Hrdina]

They aren't immovable forever. I think you could move Kadri in the off-season. A player like him will have interest. But I don't think they'll do that.
Huberdeau is tougher, until he starts to play well again. Then the market for him would return.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sell. I am confident at least one of Toffoli, Hanifin, or Mangiapane is still worth a 1st to someone. Toffoli IMO should definitely be on the way out. We are not winning in the next two seasons, and this is a cost controlled sniper with playoff experience.

Collect extra 1sts and some extra cap space. We still need a big move this offseason to be competitive and this will give us space to maneuver.

Honestly, if we got some extra 1st round picks, especially in this years deep draft, we need to use them on ourselves to build our prospect pool. This team really needs to start focusing on building from within as I'm sure Calgary is probably in the bottom 25% of the league in places players would want to go.

I view our prospect pool as very thin and nothing to be overly excited about and we got to stop trading away top picks for good complimentary players that help us be a middling team. The two game breakers we lost last year were our own draft picks and it feels like that is one of the only way this team gets any talent like that again.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I was looking at the possibilities for fun and lots of teams that Kane would want to go to don't even have that room, or players they can easily move to create it. Remember he has complete veto power over destination.

I get that, it's just that cap is likely not a huge issue with many teams. And another team could even cut that number in half.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sell. I am confident at least one of Toffoli, Hanifin, or Mangiapane is still worth a 1st to someone. Toffoli IMO should definitely be on the way out. We are not winning in the next two seasons, and this is a cost controlled sniper with playoff experience.

Collect extra 1sts and some extra cap space. We still need a big move this offseason to be competitive and this will give us space to maneuver.

I agree that if the Flames sell, which they won't, Toffoli makes the most sense to trade.

He'd have value because he has a year remaining and is relatively cap efficient. More importantly, the Flames would actually be selling rather high on someone for the first time.

But that's why it won't happen. It's not the type of move the Flames would do. The Flames have a competitive window of around 3 years. Trading Toffoli would go against that window.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I get that, it's just that cap is likely not a huge issue with many teams. And another team could even cut that number in half.

But in this case you have to cross reference: teams that need or want Kane - teams that have cap room for him even at that pro rated amount - teams that he's willing to go to.

Only a couple teams can neven afford $1.5M without making a subtraction that (a) Chicago wouldn't want to absorb (in other words it has to be an expiring contract as well) and (b) won't hurt their team as much as adding Kane helps.

and of those teams, I see none that are either Stanley Cup favorites or good destinations to kill a couple months in.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The reality is that Huberdeau and Kadri are here to stay. IMO these are immovable contracts. Our best bet is to either build to suit them, or tear down and rebuild around them, hoping that they continue to be useful contributors in lessened roles.

The team is built to suit them, the system the coach deploys is not. Sutter's system Sony does not fit this roster. It fits a big heavy team that can get guys to park themselves in front of the net to screen the goalie and get rebounds from those long low danger shots. This is a skilled group. People are young off about Huberdeau but what Sutter has them doing has really neutered what the guy can bring to the table. You have an elite playmaker playing in a system that preaches lots of long distance low danger shots. That is why we can get 35-40 shots on goal and can't score. The goalie sees it the whole way because the strength of this forward group is skill plays in the zone, not traffic in front big boy hockey. Look at last year, almost all our offense came from the 1st line, a line that from the beginning didn't play the Sutter offensive zone system. Those guys kept it in the zone and someone would make themselves available in the high danger slot. That is how this team is built, two of those guys bolted this year and I think geography is not the only reason why. The system doesn't work, it can't work with this group. I like D Sutter, I think he is a very good coach but I don't think he can adapt his style to match the strengths of a roster. He is not the right guy for this team, we need a coach that preaches to the strength of this group which is skill based, not heavy screening hockey.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The team is built to suit them, the system the coach deploys is not. Sutter's system Sony does not fit this roster. It fits a big heavy team that can get guys to park themselves in front of the net to screen the goalie and get rebounds from those long low danger shots. This is a skilled group. People are young off about Huberdeau but what Sutter has them doing has really neutered what the guy can bring to the table. You have an elite playmaker playing in a system that preaches lots of long distance low danger shots. That is why we can get 35-40 shots on goal and can't score. The goalie sees it the whole way because the strength of this forward group is skill plays in the zone, not traffic in front big boy hockey. Look at last year, almost all our offense came from the 1st line, a line that from the beginning didn't play the Sutter offensive zone system. Those guys kept it in the zone and someone would make themselves available in the high danger slot. That is how this team is built, two of those guys bolted this year and I think geography is not the only reason why. The system doesn't work, it can't work with this group. I like D Sutter, I think he is a very good coach but I don't think he can adapt his style to match the strengths of a roster. He is not the right guy for this team, we need a coach that preaches to the strength of this group which is skill based, not heavy screening hockey.

If the team is built to suit them and the system is not, any is basically every player (including Kadri) doing well offensively and only one of them not?

If the system doesn’t suit the team, shouldn’t the forward group be struggling as a whole instead of almost all of them being on pace for career years?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If the team is built to suit them and the system is not, any is basically every player (including Kadri) doing well offensively and only one of them not?

If the system doesn’t suit the team, shouldn’t the forward group be struggling as a whole instead of almost all of them being on pace for career years?

You might have a point if that were true. Who is on pace for having a career year? Kadri isn't. Lindholm isn't. Mangiapane isn't. Weegar isn't. Hanifin isn't. I can think of two guys, Toffoli and Dillon Dube who is getting way more ice time then he ever has before.

[Kasi]

Yeah I’m sure a team that’s 18th in goals scored is really great on breakout seasons from their forwards.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You might have a point if that were true. Who is on pace for having a career year? Kadri isn't. Lindholm isn't. Mangiapane isn't. Weegar isn't. Hanifin isn't. I can think of two guys, Toffoli and Dillon Dube who is getting way more ice time then he ever has before.

Toffoli, Dube, Coleman, Backlund, Andersson, Hanifin, Lindholm, Kadri, Zadorov, and Mangiapane are all on pace to beat or match the best or second best years of their career.

You could include Ritchie and Ruzicka in that in terms of pts/gp, but Ritchie won’t play a whole season and Ruzicka is in his first full year.

I ask again: how are they all doing this well if it’s the system? How is Huberdeau the only one a mile behind his best years? He’s having his worst in a decade while others are having one of their best.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Yeah I’m sure a team that’s 18th in goals scored is really great on breakout seasons from their forwards.

That’s what happens when the vast majority of them are second and third liners and the 115 point guy you acquired is on pace for 55.

We’re about 15 goals behind where we were at this time last year.

Huberdeau is about 40 points behind where he was at this time last year.

Must be the team.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Toffoli, Dube, Coleman, Backlund, Andersson, Hanifin, Lindholm, Kadri, Zadorov, and Mangiapane are all on pace to beat or match the best or second best years of their career.

You could include Ritchie and Ruzicka in that in terms of pts/gp, but Ritchie won’t play a whole season and Ruzicka is in his first full year.

I ask again: how are they all doing this well if it’s the system? How is Huberdeau the only one a mile behind his best years? He’s having his worst in a decade while others are having one of their best.

No, the majority of them are not. Do you ever not make #### up? They are not doing this well in the system, go check your facts again. Lindholm, Kadri, and Mangiapane on pace to beat their career years...wtf are smoking Pepsi? Sometimes I think you don't even follow the team, you just pop on here to try and stir the pot. Like you are not even remotely close to being factual here, it is laughable! Like I said, Toffoli and Dube. The rest you are just totally wrong on.

[Kasi]

Yeah I’ll give you Andersson too and Coleman I think is a push and I’ll give you that as well. But Hanifin, Kadri, Mangiapane and Backlund are just straight up wrong. And for Ritchie I don’t really care that much since even his good year is not that impactful.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Yeah I’ll give you Andersson too and Coleman I think is a push and I’ll give you that as well. But Hanifin, Kadri, Mangiapane and Backlund are just straight up wrong. And for Ritchie I don’t really care that much since even his good year is not that impactful.

Andersson maybe because most of the shots coming from the point favour getting points even though the system is not suited for this roster. Coleman had back to back 20 goal seasons for the Devils, I highly doubt he hits 20 goals this year. He has been one of the better players this year and given some of the more skilled players that are not playing nearly as well it just reaffirms my point.

[Sandman]

I agree with dissentowner. Sutter likes a big,heavy team. This is one of the reasons he keeps making digs at how this team is built.