2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

But watching him don’t you also get the ‘incredibly skilled beer league player’ vibe?

I like him and think he’ll do well. He’s a good defenseman. But something about the way he moves around out there bothers me.

He has short legs so he looks like he's always climbing up stairs when he skates.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hypothetical:

You are Flames GM, you put it out that you are willing to move Dougie. Buffalo calls and offers Ryan O'Reilly with $750k retained ($6.750 million cap hit for 5 more seasons). Ottawa GM calls and offers Mark Stone and he will sign a 5 year $6.750 million extension with the Flames.

You talk to both GMs trying to up the return but neither will budge they say one for one is their final offer.

Do you take:

A. Ryan O'Reilly
B. Mark Stone
C. Neither and keep Dougie

I really feel like you could squeeze another asset out of them. Be it a pick/prospect. As such I might wait until I find a better offer if that's truly their last offer.

That said I do really, really like O'Reilly as a piece. And I do like Mark Stone. But I don't think I'd trade Hamilton for Stone straight up. O'Reilly I think is closer but I think you'd want a pick/prospect in addition.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Someone will have to explain to me why Andersson's skating is not a tremendous liability at the NHL level. I get that he's smart, but he's got a long way to go before he's quick enough to handle real NHL forwards.

Yeah his skating worries me a bit as well. I'm not sure he's much slower than Wideman though and Wideman was competent at times.

Hopefully its something he can improve. If he can't it definitely limits his upside IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I really feel like you could squeeze another asset out of them. Be it a pick/prospect. As such I might wait until I find a better offer if that's truly their last offer.

That said I do really, really like O'Reilly as a piece. And I do like Mark Stone. But I don't think I'd trade Hamilton for Stone straight up. O'Reilly I think is closer but I think you'd want a pick/prospect in addition.

Buffalo won't give up their first rounder, but their second is as high as you can get.

Hamilton for Hoffman and Schvechnikov.

[Roof-Daddy]

1: Hamilton for Stone + pick
2: Janko, Bennett, Fox for O'Reilly

Are these close?


Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Tkachuk - O'Reilly - Foo
Ferland - Backlund - Frolik
Dube - Shore - Lazar

Brouwer, Hathaway

Giordano - Hamonic
Brodie - Stone
Kulak - Andersson

#7 Dman

Smith
Rittich/Gillies


About $75.8 million against the cap with Stone @ $6.75

Makes a large dent in right hand shot defenseman pool for this org, but I doubt that team has trouble scoring.

[Harry Lime]

I wrote it about five pages back, but there is no harm in reiterating...

I don't think Calgary is an any position to be trading more futures away. We are not a Cup threat that just needs that extra push.

I like ROR, but I believe roster players would be going back in any deal. Namely Backlund and Brodie. If we think that is an overpay from a Calgary perspective, then it might actually be fair to Buffalo.

As for Backlund, I see him as a slotting problem in Calgary. We play him on the second line because of his overall skill level, but to excel in a second line defensive role, you need an elite centre on the first line, to cause more juxtaposition for the opposing team. Buffalo can use Backlund, because they have a player of Eichels quality on the first line.

In contrast, Calgary needs more balanced scoring from the centre position. The swap of centres potentially helps both teams, and the addition of Brodie makes up for ROR being the more talented player.

As for Brodie waiving to go to Buffalo, I woulded worry too much. It's rare enough that when someone refuses, it's league wide news. He may want a fresh start after the last year and a half.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I really feel like you could squeeze another asset out of them. Be it a pick/prospect. As such I might wait until I find a better offer if that's truly their last offer.

That said I do really, really like O'Reilly as a piece. And I do like Mark Stone. But I don't think I'd trade Hamilton for Stone straight up. O'Reilly I think is closer but I think you'd want a pick/prospect in addition.

Not a fan of trading Hamilton but every player has a price.

A huge return should be expected for a top tier D , whether some people like Hamilton or not.

As a 23 year old , last season , he was 9th in Norris voting . 6’ 5” offensively gifted RHD do not grow on trees.

If Larssen got NJ Hall, that or asset value close to that should be the expectation in return for Hamilton ,who is much better than Larssen

Otherwise keep him.

[Dan403]

Hamilton isn't getting traded.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Hamilton isn't getting traded.

How do you know?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I wrote it about five pages back, but there is no harm in reiterating...

I don't think Calgary is an any position to be trading more futures away. We are not a Cup threat that just needs that extra push.

I like ROR, but I believe roster players would be going back in any deal. Namely Backlund and Brodie. If we think that is an overpay from a Calgary perspective, then it might actually be fair to Buffalo.

As for Backlund, I see him as a slotting problem in Calgary. We play him on the second line because of his overall skill level, but to excel in a second line defensive role, you need an elite centre on the first line, to cause more juxtaposition for the opposing team. Buffalo can use Backlund, because they have a player of Eichels quality on the first line.

In contrast, Calgary needs more balanced scoring from the centre position. The swap of centres potentially helps both teams, and the addition of Brodie makes up for ROR being the more talented player.

As for Brodie waiving to go to Buffalo, I woulded worry too much. It's rare enough that when someone refuses, it's league wide news. He may want a fresh start after the last year and a half.

I agree with all of that and you might be able to get ROR and their second round pick or a depth contract. Maybe Beaulieu or McCabe.

[Husky]

If the Flames cannot package guys like Brodie and Stone for forward upgrades; rather they traded them for picks and go hard at a skilled UFA.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Husky

If the Flames cannot package guys like Brodie and Stone for forward upgrades; rather they traded them for picks and go hard at a skilled UFA.

Trade proven commodities for an older, over-paid UFA and some magic beans?

[keratosis]

Originally Posted by flames draft watcher

how do you know?

nm.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

How do you know?

Just watch.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Husky

If the Flames cannot package guys like Brodie and Stone for forward upgrades; rather they traded them for picks and go hard at a skilled UFA.

The only great UFA forward is Tavares. Good luck. The next best is Kane - controversial and probably not worth what he will be paid.

Then there are a bunch of aging guys. JVR, Neal, Stasny, Perron, Nash, Grabner. Sign them and you may have another Brouwer. In fact, their age and stats are almost identical to Brouwer before he was signed by Calgary.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I like ROR, but I believe roster players would be going back in any deal. Namely Backlund and Brodie. If we think that is an overpay from a Calgary perspective, then it might actually be fair to Buffalo.

That would be a dream trade. Backlund was deemed a necessary signing so we didn't lose him for nothing. Brad called it an overpayment in the press conference. That contract is going to throw off our cap structure as soon as he starts sliding from his point totals, which is likely to happen quite quickly here.

Basically that trade would do two things that other ROR proposals don't.

A) Takes $10 mil off our cap while adding $7.5 for ROR, allowing us to still add a significant winger

B) Removes a centre while adding ROR at centre, allowing Jankowski to continue to develop in the perfect spot (third line centre).


I love Backlund but taking a calculated, impersonal hockey approach? You drive them straight to the airport before Buffalo can change their mind. That would be a great trade for Calgary.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That would be a dream trade. Backlund was deemed a necessary signing so we didn't lose him for nothing. Brad called it an overpayment in the press conference. That contract is going to throw off our cap structure as soon as he starts sliding from his point totals, which is likely to happen quite quickly here.

Basically that trade would do two things that other ROR proposals don't.

A) Takes $10 mil off our cap while adding $7.5 for ROR, allowing us to still add a significant winger

B) Removes a centre while adding ROR at centre, allowing Jankowski to continue to develop in the perfect spot (third line centre).


I love Backlund but taking a calculated, impersonal hockey approach? You drive them straight to the airport before Buffalo can change their mind. That would be a great trade for Calgary.

ROR is an upgrade on Backlund, but even with Brodie's struggles this year it's a pretty big hole to leave as a #3 D. Are there any UFA LD that are worth pursuing this year? If not that leaves some pretty big shoes for someone like Kulak or Valimaki to fill (though it would be nice to see Valimaki get some time with the Flames while Gio is still around, as it seems like Valimaki could have the skills to be the next all-round defender in Gio's mold).

[jonkaupp]

Doesn’t Backlund have a No movement clause for three years? Assuming that’s right, he shouldn’t be in any trade discussions. No way he’d waive, especially for Buffalo

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Doesn’t Backlund have a No movement clause for three years? Assuming that’s right, he shouldn’t be in any trade discussions. No way he’d waive, especially for Buffalo

Backlund’s contract doesn’t take effect until July 1

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I wrote it about five pages back, but there is no harm in reiterating...

I don't think Calgary is an any position to be trading more futures away. We are not a Cup threat that just needs that extra push.

I like ROR, but I believe roster players would be going back in any deal. Namely Backlund and Brodie. If we think that is an overpay from a Calgary perspective, then it might actually be fair to Buffalo.

As for Backlund, I see him as a slotting problem in Calgary. We play him on the second line because of his overall skill level, but to excel in a second line defensive role, you need an elite centre on the first line, to cause more juxtaposition for the opposing team. Buffalo can use Backlund, because they have a player of Eichels quality on the first line.

In contrast, Calgary needs more balanced scoring from the centre position. The swap of centres potentially helps both teams, and the addition of Brodie makes up for ROR being the more talented player.

As for Brodie waiving to go to Buffalo, I woulded worry too much. It's rare enough that when someone refuses, it's league wide news. He may want a fresh start after the last year and a half.

Chatham is way closer too BUF than CGY. That might mean something to him too.