2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sandman]

Swayman might not be that good if he wasn’t playing on a top team with an excellent D core and a tight system.

[gvitaly]

^ Swayman still played better than Ullmark. He also had great analytics in terms of goals saved above expected/60. That's why it's a bit harder to attribute it only to Boston's defense. Especially after Bergeron retired. Maybe they're just very good at limiting shots Swayman struggles with. It's too difficult to say one way or another.

That said, I think it's a bit too late for BOS to reshuffle the goalie situation going into next season.

I think anything over $8.5M is too risky for Swayman.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the end it probably doesn't impact Swayman negotiations a whole lot, and they wanted to keep the 25 year old instead of the 31 year old.

The real question is if you believe Korpisalo (who was a salary dump) and a late 1st round pick was enough to move Ullmark. And I'd argue it wasn't.

In the end that is why i asked.....If you are getting a 1st that's lower half of 1st round once the sens have a proper goalie AND have to take back a middling goalie, then what's the hurry.

[Bubba17]

Had Pierre Luc Dubois asked for a trade yet?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Without PP time he is useless.

I also feel useless without PP time...

[genetic_phreek]

When we getting Kakko?

[Yeah_Baby]

Who does Swayman think it he is? Rick DiPietro?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There was a rumour that last year, arbitration didn't go super well with Swayman. He apparently wanted to sign a reasonable long term deal at the time, but the Bruins preferred a bridge and took him to arbitration. I think they will regret that decision.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/495...ration-bruins/

A cautionary tale for Conroy for the future. In my opinion you stand firm on term for UFAs but the smart thing to do with RFAs (especially for a market like Calgary) is you try to maximize term. Probability says that a RFA is much more likely to be worth the value eventually of a contract that appears to be an overpay at the beginning than a UFA is to be value for a contract with term at the end of the contract.

I hope next offseason Conroy tries to get as much term as possible for Zary and Coronato. And after that I hope he goes for term on any of the young players that either pop or he thinks could pop. Swayman on a 5 year 5.5 million dollar deal last year looks a lot better than a one year 3.475 million dollar contract.

[Calgary4LIfe]

One of the reasons that I am glad that Conroy was selected to become the GM was that he was here watching Gaudreau and Tkachuk leave.



Treliving was a wizard at those RFA deals, but he took off his wizard hat and sat on it while negotiating UFA deals at times. How many RFA deals were too rich? Bouma?



I believe he will have the mentality of trying to pay players for what he thinks they will accomplish in Calgary, rather than what that player has accomplished in the past.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

One of the reasons that I am glad that Conroy was selected to become the GM was that he was here watching Gaudreau and Tkachuk leave.



Treliving was a wizard at those RFA deals, but he took off his wizard hat and sat on it while negotiating UFA deals at times. How many RFA deals were too rich? Bouma?



I believe he will have the mentality of trying to pay players for what he thinks they will accomplish in Calgary, rather than what that player has accomplished in the past.

I am not a Treliving fan but he was very good at RFA contracts but his UFA contracts prevented him from doing it with some RFAs. Bridge contract on Mangiapane led to an overpay once he popped. He had to do the bridge contract because he had spent a good sum on UFAs. He had to bridge Tkachuk because he signed Neal and had Lucic as a result. I hope Conroy goes all in on RFAs and leaves the UFAs to being an after thought.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am not a Treliving fan but he was very good at RFA contracts but his UFA contracts prevented him from doing it with some RFAs. Bridge contract on Mangiapane led to an overpay once he popped. He had to do the bridge contract because he had spent a good sum on UFAs. He had to bridge Tkachuk because he signed Neal and had Lucic as a result. I hope Conroy goes all in on RFAs and leaves the UFAs to being an after thought.

The thing is, your RFAs have to be someone like Tkachuk to make it make sense.

Not sure we have someone like that in the pipe. I know what you mean about the Mangiapane contract, but not sure he's a guy you give max term to as an RFA

[Tbull8]

I think the Flames should look to lock up Zary as long as possible as soon as they can. I'd rather overpay by a little and bet on him

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I think the Flames should look to lock up Zary as long as possible as soon as they can. I'd rather overpay by a little and bet on him

How much would you pay? Because in my view, his range of possibilities is as wide as anyone on the team.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

A cautionary tale for Conroy for the future. In my opinion you stand firm on term for UFAs but the smart thing to do with RFAs (especially for a market like Calgary) is you try to maximize term. Probability says that a RFA is much more likely to be worth the value eventually of a contract that appears to be an overpay at the beginning than a UFA is to be value for a contract with term at the end of the contract.

I hope next offseason Conroy tries to get as much term as possible for Zary and Coronato. And after that I hope he goes for term on any of the young players that either pop or he thinks could pop. Swayman on a 5 year 5.5 million dollar deal last year looks a lot better than a one year 3.475 million dollar contract.

I totally agree. Teams need to get away from the model of trying to squeeze the up and comers while paying older players for past production. Pay them for what you think or reasonably expect them to do. Plant the seeds for future goodwill.

It's still a risk. Player projections can be wrong and maybe the goodwill doesn't pan out during the next contract talks, but I think it is a much better risk to take.

[stemit14]

Really hoping everything falls into place this season for some these crazy scenarios to become a reality:

1. Hoping Crosby either re-signs or is traded to Colorado. Loading up that team would be a great stop against the oilers if they make the playoffs. Him re-signing early in the season would be fine as well… otherwise the Canadian media will be relentlessly trying to sell the idea that the oilers will be able to get Crosby because he will want to play with McDavid - ridiculous but that won’t stop them from trying to sell it.
2. At least one of Kuzmenko or Mantha have a career year and can be traded at the deadline for something decent. Not expecting much because rental wingers rarely return a lot. Even if Kuzmenko was on pace for 35+ goals, I’m not sure he would return much more than a 2nd + 3rd round pick.
3. Some 3D chess for this one… I’d like for Utah to surprise and be in the top 3 of the pacific division while be a high scoring team that needs defence at the trade deadline. The new owners will be desperate for the team to get into the playoffs and do well. Calgary and Utah work out a trade around Andersson+ for Tij Iginla. The “+” could be something like Coleman (50% retained) or Kuzmenko + some picks/prospects. Still mad we did not get Tij at the draft. Very happy to have Parekh but bitter that Utah stole Tij. Would like to correct that wrong. I think Utah going on a run could be the best chance at that being possible.
4. New Jersey struggles enough this season so that the first round pick they sent Calgary ends up being 11th overall. Alternatively, if they struggle enough for it to be a top 10 pick in 2025, I would want them to be a lottery team in 2026 (very unlikely) when the deferred 1st would be unprotected.
5. Draisaitl walks to free agency in 2025. Oilers cling to the hope that he will re-sign all year. Oilers trade their 2026 1st round pick for a rental at the deadline but still miss the playoffs. End up finishing with the 13th overall selection in the 2025 draft - except that pick has already been traded to Philadelphia for the last pick in the 2024 draft.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am not a Treliving fan but he was very good at RFA contracts but his UFA contracts prevented him from doing it with some RFAs. Bridge contract on Mangiapane led to an overpay once he popped. He had to do the bridge contract because he had spent a good sum on UFAs. He had to bridge Tkachuk because he signed Neal and had Lucic as a result. I hope Conroy goes all in on RFAs and leaves the UFAs to being an after thought.

That's probably a good philosophy, but OTT should be a bit of a cautionary tale. They keep giving long term, big dollar contracts to RFAs. That's how they ended up with Norris and Chabot taking a big chunk of their cap space. IMO, that's one of the reasons they had to bridge Pinto. Tkachuk, Stutzle, Batherson, and Sanderson look great so far.

EDM's $6M x 6 was another example of that.

At the same time, UFAs like Tanev and Markstrom helped the Flames become a better team and brought assets back, so it's always a balance.

[Fire]

I see Zary as a good 2nd liner long term and not someone to throw 1st line money at. If he produces 20 goals and 50 points next season then offer him an 8 year deal worth about 6 million/yr.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fire

I see Zary as a good 2nd liner long term and not someone to throw 1st line money at. If he produces 20 goals and 50 points next season then offer him an 8 year deal worth about 6 million/yr.

I think that would be fair. If he were to get around 50 points next season, I was thinking 7 x $7 million, so same ballpark. That is if the Flames believe 50 would be the floor or the average during the contract duration.

[Tbull8]

Ya off the top of my head I was thinking around 7x7.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Zary would need to show me a lot more to get an offer starting with 7...

He really fell off after the first two months. Needs to come back with strong play and production.

Needs a sharangovich type of season that is consistent and leaves little doubt about his ability.