Israel declares war on Hamas

[hah]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh FFS, pull your head out of your ass. While they may be imperfect, we still need an international organization representing most nations to help moderate the endless hate and destruction being sown in that part of the world. And yes, that fully includes our totally innocent state if Israel.

My head is not in that location. Nice try.


If the UN peacekeepers were doing their job, there would be peace at the Lebanon-Israel border. Why did the UN peacekeepers allow rocket fire into Israel from Lebanon for the last year?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Peacekeepers aren't there to be an explicit physical force. They're there to be a presence of order/civility and signal that the area is not a stage for violence.

The big flaw in peacekeeping is that the opposing sides have to respect what peacekeepers do and represent. Israel signaling it has no interest in peace.

It doesn't work.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by hah

My head is not in that location. Nice try.


If the UN peacekeepers were doing their job, there would be peace at the Lebanon-Israel border. Why did the UN peacekeepers allow rocket fire into Israel from Lebanon for the last year?

So your solution is to kill them?

[Party Elephant]

Suggesting UN peacekeepers should be doing preemptive strikes is certainly a take.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So your solution is to kill them?

They had their chance.

[hah]

You asked if it was justified.


UN Peace keepers that are not doing there job could be complicit with Hezbollah. It could be possible. It is obvious they did not stop rocket fire from Lebanon.



I actually don't want anyone killed, especially Canadian peace keepers.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by hah

It could be a justification if the UN "peace" keepers are complicate with the terrorist organization. The UN organizations have been quite suspect on their impartiality/neutrality.

Here we go. Trying to justify it already.

Do you believe today is that Israel would be justified in killing UN peacekeepers? Forget the coulds and ifs.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So your solution is to kill them?

When all you have are hammers...

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by hah

You asked if it was justified.

UN Peace keepers that are not doing there job could be complicit with Hezbollah. It could be possible. It is obvious they did not stop rocket fire from Lebanon.

I actually don't want anyone killed, especially Canadian peace keepers.

Just to be clear here, you are saying you think UN peace keepers are justified targets for Israel to kill, given the right circumstance?

UN peacekeepers are present in south Lebanon to support a return to stability under a 2006 Security Council mandate. Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law and of Security Council resolution 1701, according to UNIFIL, the UN Interim Force in Lebanon.

On Wednesday, IDF soldiers deliberately fired at and disabled the position’s perimeter-monitoring cameras, UNIFIL said, adding that the IDF also deliberately fired on UNP 1-32A, where regular Tripartite meetings were held before the conflict began, damaging lighting and a relay station.

“In the past days we have seen incursions from Israel into Lebanon in Naqoura and other areas,” the UN mission said. “IDF soldiers have clashed with Hezbollah elements on the ground in Lebanon.”

IDF soldiers also fired on UN position 1-31 in Ras Naqoura, hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering and damaging vehicles and a communications system.

An IDF drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1155551

This isn't an accident. This was a deliberate, purposeful attack on the UN. At what point do you stop pretending Israel are the good guys here?

[activeStick]

A video on UNIFIL

https://twitter.com/user/status/1843690319675539858

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by activeStick

If anyone is curious, Matthew Brodsky is the person being referenced here.

Account suspended by Twitter which in itself is a surprise.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1844053470195945682

Amazing that some people highlight and talk about being scared by unhinged fringe gatherings yet when you have people with power and sway like this that once advised the POTUS and could potentially be doing so again in a few months suggesting to burn neutral UN peacekeepers hardly a peep is heard from them or the media.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Amazing that some people highlight and talk about being scared by unhinged fringe gatherings yet when you have people with power and sway like this that once advised the POTUS and could potentially be doing so again in a few months suggesting to burn neutral UN peacekeepers hardly a peep is heard from them or the media.

I was thinking about this earlier today. People make a big deal of hateful, bigoted gatherings against Israel (and they absolutely should), and comment on antisemitism, fear for safety, and everything that people face many times as stand-ins for the Israeli government or simply just for being Jewish. It’s truly horrible.

Yet I look at how much is ignored, and it doesn’t make sense to me. There are far right leaders IN the Israeli government RIGHT NOW who have dehumanized Palestinians and called for genocide. They are downplayed and dismissed.

We all discussed a survey and some people reacted very strongly that anyone would have a positive view of Hamas, but the anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment expressed in the survey was totally ignored.

There are people like this Trump advisor who openly express hate and call for people to be burned alive. Totally ignored.

And then you look locally, and there are Albertans politicians dehumanizing and actively making life worse for the LGBTQ community, or hate-filled marches against the LGBTQ community or policies protecting them, and nothing. The silence from people who mock LGBTQ people who support Palestinian human rights “because Israel is the only country that cares about them” is especially eye-opening.

Add the fact that someone is justifying the killing of UN peacekeepers, the dame way the killing of journalists, activists, and aid workers have been done before, and still nothing… and I don’t know, it seems like hate is being normalized depending on who it’s directed toward. And I think people still supporting this war and cheering it on have totally lost themselves.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yet I look at how much is ignored, and it doesn’t make sense to me. There are far right leaders IN the Israeli government RIGHT NOW who have dehumanized Palestinians and called for genocide. They are downplayed and dismissed.

We all discussed a survey and some people reacted very strongly that anyone would have a positive view of Hamas, but the anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment expressed in the survey was totally ignored.

There are people like this Trump advisor who openly express hate and call for people to be burned alive. Totally ignored.

Agree wholeheartedly.

In the US government at the federal level, there are open anti-Muslim bigots. It's basically table stakes on the Republican House side to insult testifying individuals who are of muslim faith. This has been going on in the open for at least 20 years now (Ground Zero Mosque anyone?).

For as much as there are anti-semitism problems in US society, and there certainly are, by and large at the federal level it is much less and not systematic as it is for Muslims. And regardless of the level of anti-semitism that exists in civilian and political US society, Muslims can only dream of being treated that poorly.

[activeStick]

Israel, after receiving backlash from the majority of the international community and the UN for their threats to the UNIFIL team at the Lebanon border has taken it a step further today by firing at a UNIFIL base, injuring 2.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1844717208737398998

https://twitter.com/user/status/1843999687109489125

https://twitter.com/user/status/1844378758658261338

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Israel, after receiving backlash from the majority of the international community and the UN for their threats to the UNIFIL team at the Lebanon border has taken it a step further today by firing at a UNIFIL base, injuring 2.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1843999687109489125

This should be all of them

I have worked with 7 of those militaries on tour

[Coach]

Should be fine, right?

[Fuzz]

A US-made munition was used in an Israeli strike on central Beirut that killed 22 people and wounded 117, according to an analysis of shrapnel found by the Guardian at the scene of the attack.


The strike on Thursday night hit an apartment complex in the densely populated neighbourhood of Basta, central Beirut, levelling the apartment building and destroying cars and the interiors of nearby residences.


It was the deadliest strike on Lebanon’s capital city since fighting between Hezbollah and Israel started a year ago.

A fragment of a bomb dropped on Beirut on 10 October 2024. Photograph: William Christou


The Guardian found remnants of a US-manufactured joint direct attack munition (Jdam) in the rubble of the collapsed apartment building on Friday afternoon. Jdams are guidance kits built by the US aerospace company Boeing that attach to large “dumb bombs” ranging up to 2,000lbs (900kg), converting them into GPS-guided bombs.

The weapons remnant was verified by the crisis, conflict and arms division of Human Rights Watch and a former US military bomb technician.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...h-hamas-unifil

Probably a good time for the US to stop enabling Israel to kill innocent people, now that they've expanded to bombing anywhere they feel threatened. It'd be nice if Canada took some actual real action like sanctioning Israel, too. Not that that would ever happen, but just sitting by wagging our fingers doesn't seem to be preventing the loss of life, so maybe hit their pocket books?

[activeStick]

Canada is America's lap dog, similar to Japan, but a bit better than Japan, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

At what point do you stop pretending Israel are the good guys here?

sorry but come the #### on man. There are no "good guys" in this conflict. There is no right and wrong side. There's not a magic defining line. It's ridiculous to try and distill this conflict down this way. IMO it plays directly into the hands of Russia, who purposely spurred on this episode of this conflict to elicit these exact feelings in people globally.

I refuse to comment on any specific event. This conflict is terrible and I wish it wasn't still occurring.

[Skootenbeeten]

Ahh so Hezbollah is now oppressed, how long before ISIS is also "oppressed"? Go change your facebook profiles for Hezbollah.