In my mind we need to keep a core force so that we can meet NATO obligations, and we need to keep up on all the latest technology and training, as well as domestic manufacturing in key weapon systems / supply chains.
If Canada ever found itself in a total war situation again, I feel that the full brunt of our nations geography, resources and economy would be activated. Our population would be mobilized as well as our know how to out produce the enemy. If it's the US, well it's an insurgency program until we force regime change like the 50% of Americans that would've been suppressed.
You're not taking Canada in a single strike. And there are 40 million of us with access to all of the West's intelligence, technology, and nearly unlimited resources within our borders.
Us folks in the service and knowledge economy are soft compared to our soldiers, but like a previous poster said, do not underestimate "Jim from Accounting" when he's fighting an invasion of his home. That guy was smart enough in the first place to avoid going into the Army, and wars are won by logistics. It would be more about having enough production than brave people fighting hand to hand. Ukraine has human power, but they don't have the weapons.
With that in mind, Canada should have a small but capable fighting force. We don't need a lot of equipment, just enough to stay up to date on techniques and technology.
However, that equipment should be in good working order, and if our defense arm is lying about our readiness an inquiry should be underway. Unfortunately that's what it appears like from the outside at the moment.
Are you being serious? I find it hard to believe you're being serious.
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In my mind we need to keep a core force so that we can meet NATO obligations, and we need to keep up on all the latest technology and training, as well as domestic manufacturing in key weapon systems / supply chains.
If Canada ever found itself in a total war situation again, I feel that the full brunt of our nations geography, resources and economy would be activated. Our population would be mobilized as well as our know how to out produce the enemy. If it's the US, well it's an insurgency program until we force regime change like the 50% of Americans that would've been suppressed.
You're not taking Canada in a single strike. And there are 40 million of us with access to all of the West's intelligence, technology, and nearly unlimited resources within our borders.
Us folks in the service and knowledge economy are soft compared to our soldiers, but like a previous poster said, do not underestimate "Jim from Accounting" when he's fighting an invasion of his home. That guy was smart enough in the first place to avoid going into the Army, and wars are won by logistics. It would be more about having enough production than brave people fighting hand to hand. Ukraine has human power, but they don't have the weapons.
With that in mind, Canada should have a small but capable fighting force. We don't need a lot of equipment, just enough to stay up to date on techniques and technology.
However, that equipment should be in good working order, and if our defense arm is lying about our readiness an inquiry should be underway. Unfortunately that's what it appears like from the outside at the moment.
Put down the whiskey.
Canadians aren't tough farm types who would fight and die like they were in WW2 WW1 and Korea.
And outproduce with what? if someone invaded us and if the States decided to sit it out our cities would be pounded and what rusted forces and badly equip troops that we do have would be wiped out in days or a week.
And we don't have a armed civilian population like they did in Iraq for example or Vietnam.
I doubt Canadians would put up much of a fight the smart enemy would roll in and say free internet and cable and Canadians wouldn't show up to fight.
Chances are that if there was an invasion of Canada America would jump in to defend Canada and then keep what they defended. or if the enemy threatened America through canada they wouldn't consult with Canada before engaging in a aggressive war on Canadian soil.
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Canadians aren't tough farm types who would fight and die like they were in WW2 WW1 and Korea.
And outproduce with what? if someone invaded us and if the States decided to sit it out our cities would be pounded and what rusted forces and badly equip troops that we do have would be wiped out in days or a week.
And we don't have a armed civilian population like they did in Iraq for example or Vietnam.
I doubt Canadians would put up much of a fight the smart enemy would roll in and say free internet and cable and Canadians wouldn't show up to fight.
Chances are that if there was an invasion of Canada America would jump in to defend Canada and then keep what they defended. or if the enemy threatened America through canada they wouldn't consult with Canada before engaging in a aggressive war on Canadian soil.
You might want to take your own advice.
Yeah, I'm sure if Canada was invaded and invoked Article 5, the US would either do nothing or annex part of Canada. LOL.
Canadians aren't tough farm types who would fight and die like they were in WW2 WW1 and Korea.
And outproduce with what? if someone invaded us and if the States decided to sit it out our cities would be pounded and what rusted forces and badly equip troops that we do have would be wiped out in days or a week.
And we don't have a armed civilian population like they did in Iraq for example or Vietnam.
I doubt Canadians would put up much of a fight the smart enemy would roll in and say free internet and cable and Canadians wouldn't show up to fight.
Chances are that if there was an invasion of Canada America would jump in to defend Canada and then keep what they defended. or if the enemy threatened America through canada they wouldn't consult with Canada before engaging in a aggressive war on Canadian soil.
As a proud Canadian I don't look at our military might or lack there of, after WWII Canada has championed peace keeping and human rights around the world, I truly believe if some dumb ass were to invade us many many countries would have our backs.
Russia has started a new assault on Vuhledar (area that Russia tried to take in the fall but failed miserably)
Don't watch if you don't like to see what happens when Russian IFV unloads troops in the middle of a field with zeroed in artillery. These tactics continues to sheds some light on why Ukraine claims it has killed so many Russians, if anything it could be underestimated.
As a proud Canadian I don't look at our military might or lack there of, after WWII Canada has championed peace keeping and human rights around the world, I truly believe if some dumb ass were to invade us many many countries would have our backs.
I completely agree. Unless it was the U.S. itself invading of course. I'm viewing that hypothetical through the lens of the current state of the world and its main powers, where I could see strong condemnation of the USA by European allies and heavy finger wagging, possibly even sanctions and I'm sure some international volunteers to help fight like we're seeing in Ukraine. But between the sheer might of the U.S. and the distance between North America and Europe causing major logistical issues, I just don't see it going much beyond that in regards to assistance by allies (aside from also providing asylum to fleeing Canadians).
Obviously a complete hypothetical that I don't see happening, at least not in our lifetime. I've just had this alternate reality thought before and unfortunately think that's how it would go down. Any other country invading us would be a different story however.
As a proud Canadian I don't look at our military might or lack there of, after WWII Canada has championed peace keeping and human rights around the world, I truly believe if some dumb ass were to invade us many many countries would have our backs.
Sadly we hitched our kart to a process, PeaceKeeping, that doesn't work.
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I completely agree. Unless it was the U.S. itself invading of course. I'm viewing that hypothetical through the lens of the current state of the world and its main powers, where I could see strong condemnation of the USA by European allies and heavy finger wagging, possibly even sanctions and I'm sure some international volunteers to help fight like we're seeing in Ukraine. But between the sheer might of the U.S. and the distance between North America and Europe causing major logistical issues, I just don't see it going much beyond that in regards to assistance by allies (aside from also providing asylum to fleeing Canadians).
Obviously a complete hypothetical that I don't see happening, at least not in our lifetime. I've just had this alternate reality thought before and unfortunately think that's how it would go down. Any other country invading us would be a different story however.
If the US ever invaded Canada I doubt we would even bother fighting back. Our armed forces facing theirs would be an exercise in futility, and I'm sure they would knock out all our communications first so the majority of us wouldn't even know what was happening. For the average Canadian it would just be like the tv and internet didn't work for a few hours, then when everything came back the news would be telling us "Surprise, you're all Americans now."
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IMO it's unrealistic. The state of Canada would never engage in a war with the USA in current terms. We would lose immediately for starts. We don't have even a fraction of the military that Ukraine had to resist the initial push, and the USA is far, far stronger than Russia. The state of Canada would be decapitated immediately. All of the St. Lawrence seaway and the great lakes region would be occupied within hours. Vancouver and Victoria would also likely be overwhelmed immediately. Calgary and Edmonton would be much less priority... though likely cold lake and the base in Edmonton would be obliterated to ensure less capability. But otherwise I don't even see why they would bother advancing that far.
Yeah agreed. As long as they weren't committing mass atrocities on civilian populations, I could see it going as mentioned, as a quick transition. I was more just trying to say I don't think our allies would aggressively leap to our defence in combat against them, should some areas try to hold out. More just voicing their disapproval.
The idea of the USA ever invading Canada is such far-fetched and alternate reality fan fiction material, that it isn't even worth seriously talking about except as a thought experiment. Canada already has a de facto suzerain relationship with the USA and poses no threat at all. Although Tucker Carlson was on TV last night apparently promoting the idea that Canadians are so oppressed that the U.S. should forget about Ukraine and worry about liberating Canada. He was just asking questions of course. The guy is a total joke, but unfortunately many people in the U.S. will believe anything people like him say. That's kind of how these things get started. But still, I could never see it actually happening.
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Although Tucker Carlson was on TV last night apparently promoting the idea that Canadians are so oppressed that the U.S. should forget about Ukraine and worry about liberating Canada. He was just asking questions of course. The guy is a total joke, but unfortunately many people in the U.S. will believe anything people like him say.
The idea of the USA ever invading Canada is such far-fetched and alternate reality fan fiction material, that it isn't even worth seriously talking about except as a thought experiment. Canada already has a de facto suzerain relationship with the USA and poses no threat at all. Although Tucker Carlson was on TV last night apparently promoting the idea that Canadians are so oppressed that the U.S. should forget about Ukraine and worry about liberating Canada. He was just asking questions of course. The guy is a total joke, but unfortunately many people in the U.S. will believe anything people like him say. That's kind of how these things get started. But still, I could never see it actually happening.
I've heard the "liberate" Canada bit before and you are right, there are Americans who believe that.
Thought: If American elections are "stolen" and "rigged", shouldn't someone invade America and liberate them actually?
I've heard the "liberate" Canada bit before and you are right, there are Americans who believe that.
Thought: If American elections are "stolen" and "rigged", shouldn't someone invade America and liberate them actually?
The thing is, and maybe this makes me a "bad" Canadian, but if Canada were to be occupied and annexed by the U.S., I probably wouldn't resist that hard. It would be a lost cause and I would rather be alive as an American than dead as a Canadian. Don't get me wrong, it would suck hard, but we would adapt and in the big picture, life would go on. The majority of Americans are like us in practically most meaningful ways. As a state or collection of states, we would still have the ability to control a lot of our domestic policy.
The main issue, and it is a big one, is the thought of the militia types using it as a chance rape, loot and murder. You just know that there would be some of those people joining in.
I think an annexation of Canada would probably resemble an Anschluss more than a war. If similar regimes took power in both countries, like Freedumb Trumpists, I could see them pushing that kind of agenda.
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The thing is, and maybe this makes me a "bad" Canadian, but if Canada were to be occupied and annexed by the U.S., I probably wouldn't resist that hard. It would be a lost cause and I would rather be alive as an American than dead as a Canadian. Don't get me wrong, it would suck hard, but we would adapt and in the big picture, life would go on. The majority of Americans are like us in practically most meaningful ways. As a state or collection of states, we would still have the ability to control a lot of our domestic policy.
If the US were to annex Canada, it would probably be as a territory with no federal voting rights. If every province were to be integrated as a state, it would mean the end of the Republican party since most Canadians align even more liberal than the Democrats. And even if were were just taken in as a single state, that would likely be enough of a swing to give the Democrats a permanent edge in the electoral college
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