Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

Tychkowski is at the end of his rope.

"If this team wasn’t based in Canada, where fans throw money at a team no matter what, it would have folded, relocated or changed the way it operates years ago. But here were are, caught in a vicious cycle of sellouts, draft lotteries and abject failure".




https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hocke...dmonton-oilers

Tychkowski can sit in it. He's a cherry-picking bandwagoner.

Remember this tweet before their collapse against Anaheim?

I've yet to see him write a piece that actually dissects solutions to the organizations' problem.

He's great at the sarcastic p____ and moaning... until he hopes aboard the Good Ship Oiler when they back into playoff luck.

https://twitter.com/user/status/860709518518267904

It's fun to remind him.

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by sgeorg

I get the impression you don't know what this sub is for.

Go on...

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Pens offered the captaincy to Sid pretty early (after year one IIRC) but he turned it down. At the time they may not have had grizzled vets (well, they had Hendricks) but they had RNH, Pouliot, Sekera (plus Hall and Eberle, but they weren't captain material either).

He was given the captaincy in his third season. Mario was the captain his fist year. They didn't have a captain his second. I think the big difference was he was surrounds by some vets like Lemiuex, Roberts, Recchi, LeClair, Gonchar etc for a few years. Bottom line he had a decent support system.

Who were the vets for Mcdavid? Ference, who was stripped of the captaincy for McDavid's his rookie year. Hendricks maybe for a couple seasons? Looking at the Oilers roster there isn't anyone who jumps out at you as someone that could help McDavid along. They would have been better off finding a vet or running with group (bunch of A's without a captain). It was a debacle of monumental proportions not having someone there for him and screams they think they are smarter than everyone else.

[Boreal]

It’s almost like they had no plan at all.

Jeff casually mentions the whispers.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1100788477103288320

[Erick Estrada]

Every single elite level forward the Oilers have, and there are exactly three of them, was GIVEN to them by the NHL. If a tree stump was running this team, the Oilers would still have Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins and McDavid. Sadly, a tree stump WASN’T running this team, so it lost Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle and lost out on Matt Barzal through crippling mistakes.

RNH is not elite. He's on the level of Backlund but no better.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Robbob

He was given the captaincy in his third season. Mario was the captain his fist year. They didn't have a captain his second. I think the big difference was he was surrounds by some vets like Lemiuex, Roberts, Recchi, LeClair, Gonchar etc for a few years. Bottom line he had a decent support system.

Who were the vets for Mcdavid? Ference, who was stripped of the captaincy for McDavid's his rookie year. Hendricks maybe for a couple seasons? Looking at the Oilers roster there isn't anyone who jumps out at you as someone that could help McDavid along. They would have been better off finding a vet or running with group (bunch of A's without a captain). It was a debacle of monumental proportions not having someone there for him and screams they think they are smarter than everyone else.

I know - they offered it to Sid like I said, and he said "I'm not ready". I don't think it would have mattered who was on the team.

I listed the vets: Hendricks, Pouliot, Sekera, Korpikoski. No, none of those were stunners, but heck, even RNH had a 4 years experience. I would have let him have it for a couple years (and I think he would know it was probably temporary).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I saw a locked thread on HF where Jeff Blair mentioned he is hearing whispers that McDavid wants out.

Here is my dream June

June 12th- Flames win the Cup
June 13th- Arena deal announced
June 14th- McDavid formally requests a trade

The moment the Oilers won the draft lottery and a miserable looking McDavid walked down that hall to face the music it was always destined to fail for both parties. The fact that things have played out even worse than anyone could imagine only reaffirms that McDavid should have pulled a Lindros and informed the Oilers he would not report to them if drafted. As ugly as it would have appeared at the time, today on a different team he would be happy and nobody outside of Edmonton would care about the past events. Now he has to face the drawn out ordeal of asking to be traded so in delaying the inevitable he has simply made things more difficult on himself and his camp. However if he indeed asks for a trade this will be one of the few times that everyone (outside of Edmonton) will universally side with the player in a situation like this. Maybe future top prospects will be more proactive the next time the Oilers win a draft lottery and refuse to report.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

Tychkowski is at the end of his rope.

"If this team wasn’t based in Canada, where fans throw money at a team no matter what, it would have folded, relocated or changed the way it operates years ago. But here were are, caught in a vicious cycle of sellouts, draft lotteries and abject failure".




https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hocke...dmonton-oilers

Edmonton is NO Good VII: Put a Tree Stump in charge

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

All those high picks and only 5 above average NHL players at BEST.

5? Are you counting McDayquil 3 times and Drysaddle twice?

They have 2 above average players on their entire roster. 2. Their next best player, Ryan Nothing-Happens is entirely average. He is 33rd for centers in the league, except is also -13 and plays a significant amount of his time on the wing with McDayquil. I'm not convinced they have any other forward you could even count as an average NHL player. As I've said many times, I don't think they have a single D man that cracks the Flames top 7 (counting Valimaki). And their goaltending is meh at best.

All those high picks, all those years of sucking... and they have 2 players they should be proud of. The Flames, with zero top 3 picks in their entire history, have far more above average players.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

RNH is not elite. He's on the level of Backlund but no better.

I've seen Oiler fans call Nothing-Happens "all-world".

If you can't make your National team for a best on best tournament, you are nowhere near "all-world".

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So don't hold out when it's legal and then do it when it's a contract breach? That's smart.

You realize he didn't get the money right away despite the contract being signed a year in advance, right? He didn't have to sign anything at all, for a year and a half.

I assume the $100M/year was intended exaggeration.

Typo,

He plays in a sport where a career limiting injury is a real possibility. You don’t take the risk that 100 million becomes 20 million becuase you blew out your ACL.

You hold out once you have a guaranteed contract and the penalties for not playing games is defined rather than take risk. And you don’t even have to miss games just quit showing up to all non mandatory stuff and make it known you are unhappy and want out. Forget to back check, have a Flu every few weeks (are we sure he isn’t doing this already)

None of this changes the fact that if you can sign a contract that pays you 100 million when the alternative is to risk that money to get a shorter contract for less money (total not per year) a year later you do the deal.

It’s nonsensical that people suggest he should have turned it down because of the tire fire in Edmonton.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It was pretty great watching the highlights of the Oilers Leafs game where they showed the Leafs not giving Mc-2 an inch. The Flames should study that, it looked like a great way to shut him down. Particularly when he tried to wind up on his usual high speed run down the right side, and he just got stood up at the blue line. I can just imagine McCrossover thinking "what just happened? That's my MOVE, man!"

Flames have shut down down McDavid with great success this season. Goof Gulutzan never had a game plan


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[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The moment the Oilers won the draft lottery and a miserable looking McDavid walked down that hall to face the music it was always destined to fail for both parties. The fact that things have played out even worse than anyone could imagine only reaffirms that McDavid should have pulled a Lindros and informed the Oilers he would not report to them if drafted. As ugly as it would have appeared at the time, today on a different team he would be happy and nobody outside of Edmonton would care about the past events. Now he has to face the drawn out ordeal of asking to be traded so in delaying the inevitable he has simply made things more difficult on himself and his camp. However if he indeed asks for a trade this will be one of the few times that everyone (outside of Edmonton) will universally side with the player in a situation like this. Maybe future top prospects will be more proactive the next time the Oilers win a draft lottery and refuse to report.

You have Draisatl who may likely become a 50 goal scorer and McDavid who is a multi Art Ross winner, and you have made the only playoffs 1 out of 4 times with them on a fluke of a season.

The Penguins equivalent have made the playoffs 12 straight years starting with year one that Malkin and Crosby were both on the Penguins and have won 3 Stanley Cups.

Blackhawks equivalent missed the playoffs the first year Kane and Toews were together, and made the playoffs 9 straight years with 3 Stanley Cups before missing again.

One is not like the other, and that is because one is no good.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by looooob

Flames have 89 points
number of Oilers 89 point seasons post-Pronger = 1


NO GOOD

.. and only 5 in their last 28 years. Since they last won the Stanley Cup.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by old-fart

5? Are you counting McDayquil 3 times and Drysaddle twice?

They have 2 above average players on their entire roster. 2. Their next best player, Ryan Nothing-Happens is entirely average. He is 33rd for centers in the league, except is also -13 and plays a significant amount of his time on the wing with McDayquil. I'm not convinced they have any other forward you could even count as an average NHL player. As I've said many times, I don't think they have a single D man that cracks the Flames top 7 (counting Valimaki). And their goaltending is meh at best.

All those high picks, all those years of sucking... and they have 2 players they should be proud of. The Flames, with zero top 3 picks in their entire history, have far more above average players.

I was being generous I suppose.

McDavid
Draisaitl
Nuge
Klefbom (when healthy)
Nurse or Larsson maaaaybe on a good day

[EldrickOnIce]

McDayquil?
Hah
I didn't there there were many left out there that'd make me chuckle

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

McDayquil?
Hah
I didn't there there were many left out there that'd make me chuckle

I believe the full name was Cougher McDayquil

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GGG

Typo,

He plays in a sport where a career limiting injury is a real possibility. You don’t take the risk that 100 million becomes 20 million becuase you blew out your ACL.

You hold out once you have a guaranteed contract and the penalties for not playing games is defined rather than take risk. And you don’t even have to miss games just quit showing up to all non mandatory stuff and make it known you are unhappy and want out. Forget to back check, have a Flu every few weeks (are we sure he isn’t doing this already)

None of this changes the fact that if you can sign a contract that pays you 100 million when the alternative is to risk that money to get a shorter contract for less money (total not per year) a year later you do the deal.

It’s nonsensical that people suggest he should have turned it down because of the tire fire in Edmonton.

Gee, I guess athletes should just never negotiate at all, and Matthews was an idiot to only go for 5 years. Johnny too. Of course it's a risk. But it's not black and white and you go on odds. How many guys of his calibre are put out of the game like that?

The penalties for holding out during a contract are that time stands still, plus you owe a bunch of money - see the Yashin case.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

RNH is not elite. He's on the level of Backlund but no better.

Lol don’t disrespect Backlund like that, RNH is scared of his own shadow


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[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I believe the full name was Cougher McDayquil

I do not find many of these funny.

This one is