2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I thought I read that Chillar had a pretty severe shoulder injury? I haven't read anything about Barnett being out though.

Wrist injury for Nick Barnett, could end his season

Sorry tranny.

Packers just not getting the breaks this year. Too bad because I really like Aaron Rogers.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by transplant99

regardless...it was done without Moss. That was my point.

The question you have to really look at from a none homer view is.

Did they trade Moss thinking they can't win this year because the defence is just not going to be good enough or did they trade him to get value or did they trade him due to inconsolable differences or was it based on all 3 of the above. I tend to think it is based on all 3 of the above. I think the Pats wanted to get some value for him. They have a ton of draft picks available for next year and BB is trying to build another winner within 3 - 4 years before Brady gets too old.

Not saying they won't try to win it all this year because with Brady at the helm they always have a shot but realistically how great of a shot do they have. Only time will tell.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by KTown

The question you have to really look at from a none homer view is.

Did they trade Moss thinking they can't win this year because the defence is just not going to be good enough or did they trade him to get value or did they trade him due to inconsolable differences or was it based on all 3 of the above. I tend to think it is based on all 3 of the above. I think the Pats wanted to get some value for him. They have a ton of draft picks available for next year and BB is trying to build another winner within 3 - 4 years before Brady gets too old.

Not saying they won't try to win it all this year because with Brady at the helm they always have a shot but realistically how great of a shot do they have. Only time will tell.

Somehow I just dont think that BB would ever consider his team, with Brady at the helm, not good enough. All it takes is for the opposing team to come up with injuries at the wrong time or simply to lay a goose egg. Im not sure that a 3rd rounder is value, so I think inconsolable differences it was.
Randy's big whine to the media after Game 1 was likely the first bullet and Im sure after that there were demands to trade him. BB never keeps cancer in the dressing room regardless of who they are, the position they play, or their skill set.

[Bobblehead]

I think the Pats traded Moss because they have done a large youth movement this year and they didn't want Moss to be a year long distraction. It was fine when there were plenty of respected vets - Vrabel, Bruschi, et al - but with most of the old guard gone Moss was supposed to be a mentor for the young guys. Instead he started grousing right from training camp about not feeling wanted since he wasn't offered an extension.
I think the Pats wanted to get rid of the distraction and if they could get a pick for him, so much the better.
Now they can play the, "No one thinks we can do it" card again. They have a better run game with Benjarvis Green-Ellis than they have had in years. They will miss Faulk but seem to like Woodhead in that role. They will probably miss Moss stretching the field, but will try Brandon Tate or perhaps bring in someone else to fill that role.

[habernac]

BB says a lot without saying much:

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl...ory?id=5658579

[troutman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

regardless...it was done without Moss. That was my point.

The offence did not have to do anything because they were rarely on the field.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

regardless...it was done without Moss. That was my point.

No it wasn't. A lack of catches doesn't mean a lack of impact. With Moss on the field you can be pretty much certain that the defense will put their number one corner to that side, and likely bring safety help. That completely opens up the field for your other recievers. If Moss isn't on the field that's a completely different defense Brady is looking at.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by troutman

The offence did not have to do anything because they were rarely on the field.

Originally Posted by valo403

No it wasn't. A lack of catches doesn't mean a lack of impact. With Moss on the field you can be pretty much certain that the defense will put their number one corner to that side, and likely bring safety help. That completely opens up the field for your other recievers. If Moss isn't on the field that's a completely different defense Brady is looking at.

valo, see post above

[valo403]

Originally Posted by habernac

valo, see post above

Huh? Those are completely different issues.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

No it wasn't. A lack of catches doesn't mean a lack of impact. With Moss on the field you can be pretty much certain that the defense will put their number one corner to that side, and likely bring safety help. That completely opens up the field for your other recievers. If Moss isn't on the field that's a completely different defense Brady is looking at.

Sigh.

Its pretty simple. But to appease your anal evaluations I will re-phrase, they smoked a division rival on the road without Moss contributing on offense as far as catching passes...that better for you?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sigh.

Its pretty simple. But to appease your anal evaluations I will re-phrase, they smoked a division rival on the road without Moss contributing on offense as far as catching passes...that better for you?

Some call it anal, some call it understanding that football is about more than the stat sheet.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

Some call it anal, some call it understanding that football is about more than the stat sheet.

OK coach...got it. i would never have known any of that after watching the game for more than 35 years...i am now informed.

[dissentowner]

You gotta think Brady is not happy at all.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by troutman

The offence did not have to do anything because they were rarely on the field.

Does bolding help? Moss wasn't a factor (or the rest of the offense for that matter) because they weren't on the field much.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You gotta think Brady is not happy at all.

I don't know about that. He look really pumped on the sidelines in Miami, cheering on the defence and special teams. He is having fun. He is on a mission.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by habernac

Does bolding help? Moss wasn't a factor (or the rest of the offense for that matter) because they weren't on the field much.

27:43 time of possession. That is a bit more than I expected.

I tend to agree with Valo - Welker had 8 catches but a lot of those intermediate routes are going to be more crowded in the future without a credible deep threat. But the Pats won the SB before Randy, I'm sure they can do it now that he is gone.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

27:43 time of possession. That is a bit more than I expected.

I tend to agree with Valo - Welker had 8 catches but a lot of those intermediate routes are going to be more crowded in the future without a credible deep threat. But the Pats won the SB before Randy, I'm sure they can do it now that he is gone.

Exactly, calling Moss a non-factor simply because he didn't catch a ball shows a total lack of understanding of how a passing game, or offense in general, works. Moss, even if he's sulking, forces a defence to respect the long ball and stretches the gaps that a guy like Welker is excellent at finding. Taking that deep threat out of the offence completely changes the way that a defence plays the Pats. Not only does it free up the top corner to jump on someone else, it also allows safeties to mug tighter, which changes both the passing and running game. That's not to say the Pats can't win without Moss, there's more than one way to be effective offensively, but it's a totally different dynamic now.

I don't think the result on Monday would have been different without Moss, the Dolphins special teams saw to that, but who knows, if Welker cant find space maybe some of those 3rd down conversions go the other way.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by valo403

Exactly, calling Moss a non-factor simply because he didn't catch a ball shows a total lack of understanding of how a passing game, or offense in general, works. Moss, even if he's sulking, forces a defence to respect the long ball and stretches the gaps that a guy like Welker is excellent at finding. Taking that deep threat out of the offence completely changes the way that a defence plays the Pats. Not only does it free up the top corner to jump on someone else, it also allows safeties to mug tighter, which changes both the passing and running game. That's not to say the Pats can't win without Moss, there's more than one way to be effective offensively, but it's a totally different dynamic now.

I don't think the result on Monday would have been different without Moss, the Dolphins special teams saw to that, but who knows, if Welker cant find space maybe some of those 3rd down conversions go the other way.

How many teams' top receiver does not garner double coverage or stretch the field?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

How many teams' top receiver does not garner double coverage or stretch the field?

Well now New England's for one

[KTown]

Originally Posted by valo403

Exactly, calling Moss a non-factor simply because he didn't catch a ball shows a total lack of understanding of how a passing game, or offense in general, works. Moss, even if he's sulking, forces a defence to respect the long ball and stretches the gaps that a guy like Welker is excellent at finding. Taking that deep threat out of the offence completely changes the way that a defence plays the Pats. Not only does it free up the top corner to jump on someone else, it also allows safeties to mug tighter, which changes both the passing and running game. That's not to say the Pats can't win without Moss, there's more than one way to be effective offensively, but it's a totally different dynamic now.

I don't think the result on Monday would have been different without Moss, the Dolphins special teams saw to that, but who knows, if Welker cant find space maybe some of those 3rd down conversions go the other way.

Exactly.

Some people are giving credit to the Pats special team so much, well geuess waht there is nothing special about hte pats special teams just yet and I don't think they will win you 16 games because your not playing Miamis special teams 16 times.

Miamis special teams have been dreadful since the preseason, that was 4 blocked punts in 8 games. BB knew that going in so he exploited it.

I think NE will win a fair share of there games as usual, but they just don't have that threat anymore and I am curious to see how guys like Welker will continue to be more open. If there is a way BB will find it. If there isn't we will know soon enough.