2009 NFL Off Season Thread

[mykalberta]

Favre = media whore.

Although Minni would be greatly improved with him at QB.

[Bobblehead]

Vikings would be improved .... for part of the season. Then the 40 year old body would break down like it did last year. And if even 1/4 of the rumours out of the Jets camp last year are true then Brett isn't the locker-room guy he probably was when he was in GB and knew every player.

[mykalberta]

True. Although I doubt he was a great locker room guy in GB either. Its likely no one wanted to say anything against the "Great Brett Favre" else they would have been cut.

I am just saying, compared to what the Vikings have now, Favre and his old body and crochety media whore attitude is still an improvement over what they have now.

[Pagal4321]

I don't think I have ever been against any decision that any of my teams has made, as much as I'm against this. Flames sign Marchant and Bert...meh. Blue Jays sign Frank Thomas...meh. But this, this would be unforgivable.

If his partially torn bicep is fully healed he is still only an average upgrade. This team needs to play stout defense and run the hell out of the ball. All we need is a QB who doesn't turn the ball over....

Ugh, I'll feel sick if they sign him.

[SportsJunky]

I actually think Favre is a nice addition for now. I think my brain will explode seeing this legendary enemy in Vikes colors though.

You are right Pagal, hand the ball to AP and stand back is the way to go on offense right now but why not have a great field general handing off the ball?

[Clever_Iggy]

There are two things that irk me about Farve: (1) He's unretiring again. I don't mind what Niedermayer or Selanne did or any NFL player who waits until he's had time to think about the season before deciding. What bothers me is that Farve has had at least one, possibly two tearfilled goodbyes where he's said that he's done - both of which were announced days after the last game of the season/post-season; (2) His return is apparently based on vengence. Come on.

The Vikings would be a better team with a better QB but I have two questions/concerns: First, obviously his injury. He elected not to have surgery because he was going to retire, so now he cant have the surgery in time to recover for the season and the state of his bicep will be a concern all season. Second, the Vikings have an offense built on running the football. If Farve is brought in does he force them into his "gunslinging, high risk-high reward, interception happy" offense or do they stay committed to the run and keep defenses honest with a QB that can throw a deep ball?

I hope he doesn't sign, but if he does, I hope Green Bay ends his career officially first time they meet.

[FurnaceFace]

Favre makes a bunch of sense. The Vikes do have that great running game so he doesn't need to toss the ball all the time. To me this means his arm (if it's really hanging together) is protected from overuse. He can also pick his shots when he does throw which should help reduce his turnovers.

The other good thing is he can help Jackson with his development by actually allowing him to develop instead of being tossed into the frying pan. Tavares probably needs some mentoring and while you can debate if Favre is a great mentor or not I would think Rodgers did learn a lot from him. No reason Tavares can't learn something too. Perhaps a year of not having to be the man, learning something about the game, and Jackson is ready to take over...or they are able to find a better option in a year if they think he isn't the answer.

[transplant99]

How can you blame Favre?????

The Vikes came to him...he isnt seeking them out.

And this un-retiring stuff is non-sense.

last year the Packers MADE HIM choose in late February...at that point he was not committed 100% to return...as is his absolute right, so when they said OK we are moving forward without you, he held a retirement presser on THEIR request. He decided he wanted to play again in late July...a full 6 months later. Anyone ever felt differently about things 6 months apart??

Then with the Jets...again he didnt ask for a trade nor a release in order to play elsewhere. They asked him in February what he felt like, and he told them. he felt like he was done. I dont blame him. It was a bad ending to what was a great year til late. He was injured and he was tired. Now 3 1/2 months later, he has been released from his contract by the Jets only after they drafted Sanchez, and he gets approached by another team witn all the pieces to go deep. he agrees to talk to them...whats the big frickin deal?

Favre = media whore.

A falser statement has never been stated on this board. Ever. He AVOIDS the media at all costs...why do you think he retreats to a farm in Mississippi every year as soon as his season is over?? They come after him....not the other way around.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

whats the big frickin deal?

The big deal is too many people are still buying into the fact that Farve is an "aw shucks, I jus' wanna play sum football" good ol' boy from the south. His body is way way way past playing age and last year showed us that.

I call absolute B.S. that Farve was just sitting in Mississippi on his porch not thinking about football after he was released from the Jets and that Minnesota unilaterally pursued him. He wants to get back at Green Bay for not letting him play on his terms and not letting him hold them hostage as he made up his mind if he wanted to play or not. He would have been on the phone with Chicago too if they didn't make the move for Cutler.

I'm glad Green Bay forced him out. And I agree that the first "retirement" came from that. But dont give me this crap that he held the retirement conference at their request like he didn't have a say.

Why can't he wait until midway through the off season to figure out what he wants to do (with the Jets?) Why cant he say "I'm going to take some time to think about it and talk with my family and the Jets and figure out where I stand"? Why does he have to hold a press conference, pull out the water works and retire from football while everyone with half a brain knows this is just a rash decision and he'll be back in the news in a couple months? "Oh Brett Farve is such an emotional guy... blah blah blah."

Whatever. If he signs, he's going to a team that's biggest strength is their run game. I give it 4 weeks before he's unhappy because he cant throw the ball 50 times off his back foot into double coverage.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Last year, Favre didn't put in the offseason work that he normally does. He came into camp, in the middle, and took off from there.

If he signs with the Vikings he's going to be at OTA's, minicamps, passing camp and the entire training camp. He'll get his body ready. We've seen QBs older than he is be effective. The Jets of last year were about half the team the Vikings are now, hence the late season collapse when he couldn't carry them anymore.

To me, it's a no brainer. Hell, I wish they'd bring him to Denver for a year.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Last year, Favre didn't put in the offseason work that he normally does. He came into camp, in the middle, and took off from there.

If he signs with the Vikings he's going to be at OTA's, minicamps, passing camp and the entire training camp. He'll get his body ready. We've seen QBs older than he is be effective. The Jets of last year were about half the team the Vikings are now, hence the late season collapse when he couldn't carry them anymore.

The problem is: what made Farve successful was his ability to throw the football into tighter windows (and the stubbornness to try) and get the ball down the field on deep patterns. I don't think his body, his arm, his shoulder is going to be able to do 16 games plus the offseason considering his health is in question.

I don't buy it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

The problem is: what made Farve successful was his ability to throw the football into tighter windows (and the stubbornness to try) and get the ball down the field on deep patterns. I don't think his body, his arm, his shoulder is going to be able to do 16 games plus the offseason considering his health is in question.

I don't buy it.

Less workload with that team. Not going to get beat up.

I think we're going to get to find out. I'd be stoked if I was a Vikings fan. They don't have a QB, and I mean that.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Less workload with that team. Not going to get beat up.

I think we're going to get to find out. I'd be stoked if I was a Vikings fan. They don't have a QB, and I mean that.

Definitely from a Vikings' standpoint, it's a good thing because the have a pretty sad situation going on at QB that they didn't/couldn't address this offseason.

I just don't see Farve being able to sit back, hand the ball off the majority of the game, week-after-week. Sure he won't get beat up and won't be required to throw the ball as often, but that's not Brett Farve. I don't think he can accept the fact that his brain still has the ability to play the game, but his body can't do the same things it did even a few years ago.

[burn_baby_burn]

The worse part of it is all the sports talk is now 100% Brett Favre. Rome was about Brett Favre. Mad Dog is about Favre. I'm too scared to even bother with NFL Radio.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

The worse part of it is all the sports talk is now 100% Brett Favre. Rome was about Brett Favre. Mad Dog is about Favre. I'm too scared to even bother with NFL Radio.

Ugh dont even mention Rome, I cant stand the guy.

[transplant99]

I just don't see Farve being able to sit back, hand the ball off the majority of the game, week-after-week. Sure he won't get beat up and won't be required to throw the ball as often, but that's not Brett Farve.

he did that for the most part last year. 8th in pass attempts. Brees, Cutler, Warner, McNabb, P. Manning, Rodgers, Garrard all threw more often.

year before that...similar story (once GB got a ground game going about week 7).

He is a QB first and foremost, and has been one of the best the game has ever seen. Yeah its really possible for him to of lost a step at his age...no doubt and as i said earlier every player eventually loses the ability to play in the league. In this case though...i dont see any evidence of him not being able to help the vikes....as Dis said they simply dont have much of anyone at this point, and he conceivably could make them instant favorites in the NFC.

[transplant99]

Just reported on ESPN...Childress is flying down to Mississippi to talk to Favre tomorrow.

Cook says nothing contract wise has been talked about nor has Favre expressed any interest to him about playing again.

Doesnt mean this wont happen...but this is entirely on the Vikings initiative as of today.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by transplant99

A falser statement has never been stated on this board. Ever. He AVOIDS the media at all costs...why do you think he retreats to a farm in Mississippi every year as soon as his season is over?? They come after him....not the other way around.

Right, because the whole...

Wa Wa, Green Bay doesnt love me anymore, Wa Wa - sounds like he is a real quiet guy.

What star players stay in the city that they play in if its not NY, LA, Miami etc. What exactly is there to do in GB in Jan, Feb, March, April. It would be like Calgary without the Mountains - in other words .... Edmonton. I dont blame a guy for not wanting to spend his offseason in Edmonton.

But I guess we will agree to disagree on his whore status.

I give it a 95% chance of happening. ESPN is Favre's media outlet and both Clayton and Mort have all but confirmed that it will happen.

[transplant99]

Wa Wa, Green Bay doesnt love me anymore, Wa Wa - sounds like he is a real quiet guy.

give it up man..at that time he was retiring from football....with every major passing record in the books. OF COURSE the media was all over it....was it any different when Gretzky retired? No. Was he too just a "media whore"??

Laughable.

What star players stay in the city that they play in if its not NY, LA, Miami etc. What exactly is there to do in GB in Jan, Feb, March, April. It would be like Calgary without the Mountains - in other words .... Edmonton. I dont blame a guy for not wanting to spend his offseason in Edmonton.

Several....many...lots.....including several Packers as a matter of fact. Though im not sure what that has to do with anything. I can guarendamntee you that there is a whole lot more to do in Green bay Wisconsin than there is in Hattiesburgh Mississippi though.

See you blame the person for the media making more about them than they do....this happens ALL the time with players/celebrities. Not sure what the hell Favre or anyone of them is supposed to do to stop these outlets from talking about them.

The whores maybe the media...but not the person.

there are examples of players and especially agents doing so..no question, but Favre is about as far removed from that group as is possible.

[rubecube]

I'm just upset because it's the same circus ever year with Favre. His word isn't worth a damn.