[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We don't need more players who aren't great but who will keep us out of the basement.

Andersson having the best year of his life couldn't keep the Flames out of the basement. What makes you think Whitecloud can?

The only reason the Flames are not in the running for 32nd place right now is that Vancouver completely imploded and sold off their best player. Things like that are out of our control.

[Fire]

A decent trade for a rental, the fact that there is a good chance that Vegas signs him to a new contract doesn't change that. Whitecloud is worth at least a 2nd so it's a 1st and basically two 2nds and a longshot prospect. I think if you ask people if that was the rental deal for Andersson before the start of this season most people would be very happy about it. I don't think they trade Whitecloud this season but they should be able to turn him into good value later on.

The people upset with Andesson for not accepting a long term deal with Boston or any other team in order to do the Flames a "solid" need to grow up. If I was Raz I am not signing a long term deal with anyone that is the not my first choice unless it's an overpayment. Obviously the Bruins weren't not willing to do that.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Ring of Fire

The Flames might have done some homework on this one. Besides Wiebe playing at UND, great-uncle Keith Brown was a former teammate of Dave Lowry and Wranglers assistant coach Joe Cirella. He also played under Darryl Sutter. You have to think they got some inside scoop on the kid.

Also Verhoeff‘s partner at UND no?

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

My beef is that the Flames grab a guy who's going to continue to block other young players so they can keep losing 2-0 hockey games and claim it's good for culture because gosh darn it we work hard. He's got a good contract! They'll probably keep him to the end and trade him for a 2032 third because hey it's a future pick.

Meanwhile Vegas basically can have a mulligan next year and the Flames say ahhh too bad. But we'll let you off the hook. Go out and make your team better because you can kick it down the road another year and give us zilch, absolute zilch for waiting. If any of these picks slide there needs to be something else like an extra third added.

Can't wait to trade Vegas Coleman or Kadri next year for a 2nd lol.

[sureLoss]

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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Is he solid though? Remember this is all while being on the best team in our division. The stats don’t agree he is. Either way, what a brutal day for Conroy


XGF% 48.0
RELXGF%. -7.3
CF%. 51.0
REL CF%. -0.7

I don’t know

I don’t think he is very highly regarded but he has been a regular for them. He is definitely better than Pachal and Miro, the two guys we got from Vegas

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Andersson having the best year of his life couldn't keep the Flames out of the basement. What makes you think Whitecloud can?

The only reason the Flames are not in the running for 32nd place right now is that Vancouver completely imploded and sold off their best player. Things like that are out of our control.

I am guessing it is his sunny disposition and general optimism about the Flames ability to win that makes him believe that Whitecloud has that ability.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Andersson having the best year of his life couldn't keep the Flames out of the basement. What makes you think Whitecloud can?

The only reason the Flames are not in the running for 32nd place right now is that Vancouver completely imploded and sold off their best player. Things like that are out of our control.

Exactly, whitecloud does nothing exceptional and will not be a difference maker, so why is he here? Hopefully they can trade him for whatever Conroy can scrounge up so we keep Brzu, Parekh, Kuz and other emerging guys up. That would be better than using a spot for a placeholder like Whitecloud.

[Geeoff]

I think it's likely that other guys with salary that we trade, will have guys with salary coming back, since there's both a salary cap and a salary floor. Also, new this year is that your playoff lineup must be cap compliant. And I think they also got rid of double salary retention.

I know it does seem sometimes that Vegas is not adherent to rules like this LOL

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Exactly, whitecloud does nothing exceptional and will not be a difference maker, so why is he here? Hopefully they can trade him for whatever Conroy can scrounge up so we keep Brzu, Parekh, Kuz and other emerging guys up. That would be better than using a spot for a placeholder like Whitecloud.

That's my own hope as well. But there's no hurry. The team is worse with Whitecloud than it was with Andersson, so they can afford to play him for the time being. Since the Olympics are obviously a non-factor for him, I'd like to see him moved by the deadline for another pick. That would make this whole trade tree a little more palatable.

On the other hand, if he stays, my wife gets to cheer for an Indigenous player for a while, so for me personally that's a mitigating factor.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Vegas has about $5.2 million in cap space next season currently with 11 forwards, 5 defensemen, and 2 goalies signed (18 roster players total). Dorofeyev and Schmid are prominent RFAs that should be signed with raises bringing them up to 20 players and very likely over the cap.

Even if Pietrangelo's $8.8 million goes on LTIR again, they will have trouble filling out their roster and signing Andersson to an $8-9 million AAV. If they plan to re-sign him, they are going to have to do some cap wrangling.

I have complete faith that Vegas will handle this with the utmost honesty and integrity.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I have complete faith that Vegas will handle this with the utmost honesty and integrity.

I actually do have complete faith that they will handle it with all the dishonesty and lack of integrity they've shown on every other deal. If they weren't pulling cap stunts to fit Andersson in, they would be doing it for some other player and the Flames wouldn't be getting any assets for that.

[bluejays]

I have no problem with them keeping Whitecloud, given it's unlikely they'd get a 1st for him. Protecting Wolf's confidence through a rebuild is going to be important, so having a guy or two to block shots and move the puck is nice. Losing sucks but it doesn't mean losing 7-2. It can be 2-1. Next though, I really hope Kadri and Coleman go. Their value will never be higher. Draft top end potential guys and continue, but you can't go full-rebuild through burning Wolf's confidence. Losing can be acceptable through minimizing the goals against while also not outscoring your opponent.

[Hackey]

The value is what I expected. You wait until a guy is UFA and the return isn't going to be anything special. We learnt that with Hanifin.

If a Boston 27 1st was available though I think that would have been a better gamble. We're now hurting our 26 Vegas pick and I think Vegas is most likely still a good team next year.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I have no problem with them keeping Whitecloud, given it's unlikely they'd get a 1st for him. Protecting Wolf's confidence through a rebuild is going to be important, so having a guy or two to block shots and move the puck is nice. Losing sucks but it doesn't mean losing 7-2. It can be 2-1. Next though, I really hope Kadri and Coleman go. Their value will never be higher. Draft top end potential guys and continue, but you can't go full-rebuild through burning Wolf's confidence. Losing can be acceptable through minimizing the goals against while also not outscoring your opponent.

Out of thanks, so thanks! This is a very good assessment.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Can't wait to trade Vegas Coleman or Kadri next year for a 2nd lol.

To the next white knight defending Rhett...over the top crap like this is why he gets mocked

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If a Boston 27 1st was available though I think that would have been a better gamble. We're now hurting our 26 Vegas pick and I think Vegas is most likely still a good team next year.

Near as I can tell, that pick was only available if Andersson would extend there. Nobody has talked much about what their offer was for a rental, so I don't imagine it was that impressive. Certainly not as much as Vegas actually paid, or Conroy would have accepted it.

[Spurly]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Is he solid though? Remember this is all while being on the best team in our division. The stats don’t agree he is. Either way, what a brutal day for Conroy


XGF% 48.0
RELXGF%. -7.3
CF%. 51.0
REL CF%. -0.7

What was Raz stats last year.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

To the next white knight defending Rhett...over the top crap like this is why he gets mocked

I'm sorry I don't like the return. You can mock me if you want, it doesn't change my opinion.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm sorry I don't like the return. You can mock me if you want, it doesn't change my opinion.

Weren't you saying a little while ago that you didn't even care about the return, as long as the team got rid of the player so they could tank?

Now that the trade has happened, suddenly you care about the return so you can have a new thing to complain about. Go figure.

There's no pleasing some people.