[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Sure, but what if the UFA process triggered something and now he’s not sure he wants to continue? That was my thought.

I suppose. Or maybe he's just not getting offers. I don't think other teams value him as highly as people on this board.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suppose. Or maybe he's just not getting offers. I don't think other teams value him as highly as people on this board.

Yeah, that is why I am surprised he didn't re-sign with the Flames. He had goodwill in the organization and they were pretty committed to him. if he wants a contract he can probably get a similar contract to Boqvist

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Sure, but what if the UFA process triggered something and now he’s not sure he wants to continue? That was my thought.

If the UFA negotiating process triggered something, then that validates Conroy's (and other GM's) decision not to offer him extended term due to his unreliability.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suppose. Or maybe he's just not getting offers. I don't think other teams value him as highly as people on this board.

As one of the original and biggest Kylington homers on this forum, I must admit that I think this is the case.

I still think that many of those teams are wrong (because I still think that Kylington would help a lot of teams as a puck-moving #4 or #5 defenceman), but what do I know?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, that is why I am surprised he didn't re-sign with the Flames. He had goodwill in the organization and they were pretty committed to him. if he wants a contract he can probably get a similar contract to Boqvist

Trying to see his situation objectively from another org. If I was a GM, i wouldn't take the chance even for 1 year. I would have signed Boqvist.

Signing Kylington, you get the upside of a fast skater that is what...an 8 points in 33 games guy, that isn't physical. You can't go off that 21/22 season with Tanev.

The downside....you could look foolish committing money to him and he doesn't play. Unless he is signed and slotted in as a 7/8 D that gives you potential depth but you don't need to rely on.

####ty situation his agent has him in now.

[Ped]

It's July 10. Every year there are guys that sign later in the summer for good prices. Just because he is unsigned now, doesn't mean he won't be later in the summer or after training camp.

Last year DeAngelo and Tarasenko signed in late July, and in August Dumba, Martin Jones, Pius Suter, and Simon Benoit all signed.

In September, Motte and Tatar both signed.


Hell, Danton Heinen didn't sign until October 30 and scored 17 goals and 36 points.

[Flamesfan05]

Of course he can still sign 1 year minimum salary or PTO any time

Most of the FAs that people want are gone

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Just another thought...are we sure he wants to continue playing in North America? Are we sure he wants to continue playing hockey at all?

He was apparently trying to negotiate a long term deal as of June 30th, so it does sound like he wants to play in the NHL.

If he actually doesn't want to play any more but was still trying to negotiate a long term deal, then that would be a huge bullet dodged.

[Strange Brew]

It does seem like there is a lack of willingness to take on a show me type of contract. With how much time he has missed, that is going to turn off a responsible GM.

More than once I had heard Steinberg talk about how a 2 or 3 year deal could be fair for both parties. But this is maybe a bit of a wakeup call to fans, above all else teams really value availability.

[Redlan]

There was a reason Kylington slid during his draft year from a potential top 10 pick to 60th overall. What I struggle with in this situation is that consistency and stability can help mitigate those dealing with mental health. Is Oliver his own worst enemy or is he getting advice that benefits someone else at his expense? Regardless, this team does not need more of the last 2 years that Kylington brought. Time to move on.

[SuperMatt18]

CMPDave on twitter said in a thread yesterday that the Kylington camp believed there would be a 4 year deal on the table from a team in free agency...then that team made a trade to acquire a different dman and the offer never came to fruition.

So two teams stand out to me then:

Washington: Acquired Chychrun on July 1
Utah: Acquired both Sergachev and Marino on June 29

I could have actually seen both of those teams having interest in Kylington before they made their other moves...so seems like the agent burnt some bridges in hopes of greener pastures and the other team changed directions on him.

[Rhett44]

Nobody is giving him a 4 year deal. Maybe after he proves he can play for a year.

It's just too big of a risk. He might end up playing every game for 4 years, or he night not show up for any at all. It's just a huge risk at this time for any team, even if he has a lot of talent.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

CMPDave on twitter said in a thread yesterday that the Kylington camp believed there would be a 4 year deal on the table from a team in free agency...then that team made a trade to acquire a different dman and the offer never came to fruition.

So two teams stand out to me then:

Washington: Acquired Chychrun on July 1
Utah: Acquired both Sergachev and Marino on June 29

I could have actually seen both of those teams having interest in Kylington before they made their other moves...so seems like the agent burnt some bridges in hopes of greener pastures and the other team changed directions on him.

I don't see any chance either of those teams would have offered 4 years.

[SuperMatt18]

Would have been surprising to me too.

But if you were desperate enough for a dman (which Utah clearly was) then maybe you thought overpaying on term a bit was a worthwhile risk.

It's risky but something like $2.5M x 4 for Kylington also has the potential to be a steal.

In the end it does seem the player wanted more stability, his agent thought a 4 year deal would be there, and the agent and player made a bad bet.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see any chance either of those teams would have offered 4 years.

I agree, but don't discount Free Agent frenzy. If there is any time he could have secured a four-year deal, it was on July 1. And unfortunately for him, that gamble didn't pay off.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Would have been surprising to me too.

But if you were desperate enough for a dman (which Utah clearly was) then maybe you thought overpaying on term a bit was a worthwhile risk.

It's risky but something like $2.5M x 4 for Kylington also has the potential to be a steal.

In the end it does seem the player wanted more stability, his agent thought a 4 year deal would be there, and the agent and player made a bad bet.

How is that a deal when younger guys with more points and reliability sign for less?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How is that a deal when younger guys with more points and reliability sign for less?

It's high risk potential high reward.

Kylington in 21-22 showed more in the NHL than Bean, Valimaki, etc have ever shown in the NHL.

It's not the smartest move in the world, but if you think that Kylington can be a top 4 d-man for you, then $2.5M x 4 years is potentially a worthwhile risk.

In the end I'm just sharing what a guy who has been proven to have some intel about the team shared on twitter. Not advocating that somebody signs him to a 4 year deal, just that the agent thought there would be a 4 year offer on the table and it didn't come to fruition since a different deal occurred.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Would have been surprising to me too.

But if you were desperate enough for a dman (which Utah clearly was) then maybe you thought overpaying on term a bit was a worthwhile risk.

It's risky but something like $2.5M x 4 for Kylington also has the potential to be a steal.

In the end it does seem the player wanted more stability, his agent thought a 4 year deal would be there, and the agent and player made a bad bet.

Getting a 27 year old dman who has played one full season in the NHL and is an offensive dman who has limited abilities in the defensive zone would be a hard candidate to show any benefits to a longterm relatively expensive contract. His year over year totals, even if pro rated for 82 games would be

17 points
12 points
10 points
35 points
20 points.

That is a tough stat line for an offensive dman to even get a contract, let alone a long term contract. As a comparable, in Jake Bean’s 4 seasons his point totals pro rated for 82 games would be

23 points
31 points
35 points
15 points

He is a year younger and I feel like the Flames slightly overpaid for his services but at least he did not get 4 years. But if the agent thought that offensive stat line for a dman who is bottom of the league on many defensive metrics warranted a long term deal they were on one hell of a drug at the time.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's high risk potential high reward.

Kylington in 21-22 showed more in the NHL than Bean, Valimaki, etc have ever shown in the NHL.

It's not the smartest move in the world, but if you think that Kylington can be a top 4 d-man for you, then $2.5M x 4 years is potentially a worthwhile risk.

In the end I'm just sharing what a guy who has been proven to have some intel about the team shared on twitter. Not advocating that somebody signs him to a 4 year deal, just that the agent thought there would be a 4 year offer on the table and it didn't come to fruition since a different deal occurred.

Yeah. Because Tanev sheltered him.

Kylington is, in my opinion, an NHL Defenceman. Probably a 3 or 4 tops, but an NHL Defenceman.

Problem is that he might go MIA on you at any moment. So, yeah, no one is going to give him term.

The money at $2.5 seems very reasonable. But other than that? I think he mis-read the market and/or the market is waiting until he's desperate.

That can't be good for his mental health.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's high risk potential high reward.

Kylington in 21-22 showed more in the NHL than Bean, Valimaki, etc have ever shown in the NHL.

It's not the smartest move in the world, but if you think that Kylington can be a top 4 d-man for you, then $2.5M x 4 years is potentially a worthwhile risk.

In the end I'm just sharing what a guy who has been proven to have some intel about the team shared on twitter. Not advocating that somebody signs him to a 4 year deal, just that the agent thought there would be a 4 year offer on the table and it didn't come to fruition since a different deal occurred.

Is that true?

Bean had 25 points in 63 games that same year (Kylington got 31 points in 73 games). And the following year Valimaki got 34 points in 78 games. I think these guys have had pretty similar trajectories (minus the leave of absence for Kylington).