[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[Reggie Dunlop]

Rick Bell, when he deigns to write about the Flames, usually ends the article with "In Portland."

I am disappoint.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timun

Some dude? That's Rick "THE DINGER" Bell!

Was gonna say - it's a Sun writer who gave himself his own nickname. I bet his colleague have a different one: Dingbat, Dingdong, Dingaling - something like that.

[Johnny Makarov]

Cool story bro. A few years back my cousin was gambling with Johnny, Monny and Bennett and they got so wasted they invited random people back to Gaudreau's condo.

230am in the morning on Johnny's couch Bennett is almost in tears. My cousin's like don't be so sad Sam... "I'm never ever getting off the 3rd line here!" lol

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Cool story bro. A few years back my cousin was gambling with Johnny, Monny and Bennett and they got so wasted they invited random people back to Gaudreau's condo.

230am in the morning on Johnny's couch Bennett is almost in tears. My cousin's like don't be so sad Sam... "I'm never ever getting off the 3rd line here!" lol

Great story.

Those were the days that Johnny and Monny were often seen wasted downtown. I believe they turned that around eventually.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Was gonna say - it's a Sun writer who gave himself his own nickname. I bet his colleague have a different one: Dingbat, Dingdong, Dingaling - something like that.

When he was writing for the Sun and has that Page Six thingy back in the days, I quite enjoyed his sense of humor on politics. But his takes on sport, especially the Flames are quite cringy.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

How many times are you going to post about other posters who are posting about other posters?

Until critical mass inception has been reached.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Well isn't that exactly where this organization falls flat time and time again?

Successful franchises put these players in positions that suite and compliment their skillsets which in turn allows them to establish themselves and build confidence from the get go. Expecting these talents to come in and "earn" minutes while playing in a role they have never been asked to play at in any level prior is absolute lunacy and is such an outdated mentality.

We saw it with Bennett. We saw it with Ruzicka. We saw it with Valimaki. We even saw it to a small degree with Phillips.

Hell it even took this organization five full seasons before putting Gaudreau and Tkachuk together. The lack of foresight this organization has continually displayed is quite frankly embarrassing.

Yes, this entire "earning" mentality of the organization and oldschool coaches have led all these players being put into the wrong roles and by the time they've earned being in the role that they should be in - they are already earning their chance to be superstars for other teams finding great success in the playoffs.

[sketchyt]

Having met him multiple times, Rick Bell calling anyone a snowflake is the epitome of pot calling the kettle black.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But when guys who have been through a couple coaches and especially a guy like Backlund who has given it all to this franchise raises an issue big enough that they're willing to move on if it's not solved? You listen, plain and simple.

100% agreed. No argument there. This is exactly how I understood it. Backlund wants to win. There was an issue that got in the way of winning. If the problem wasn't solved, Backlund felt the team couldn't win and thus Backlund would leave to go somewhere where he could win.

But the problem was some of the players AND Sutter. The problem wasn't just Sutter. Elliot Friedman has implied this at least three times in different podcasts - multiple players on the Flames felt the problem was both Sutter and the players who hated Sutter.

So Sutter is gone, but the players remain. Is the problem solved? Maybe. Maybe not.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I also think it's a complete rewrite to suggest that Huberdeau didn't want to adjust his game. He did, completely, and his individual stats suffered immensely for it because it's not the type of game he's successful at. He still did it. Saying he couldn't or didn't want to play the system is a lie, he could and he did, and it didn't work. Kadri... hard to say, he was a mess.

I don't think its a stretch to say that Huby couldn't adjust his game while still being a point-per-game player. Sutter and Huby didn't mesh. It wasn't going to happen. The coach couldn't adjust. The player couldn't adjust. He's your franchise forward eating up 10%-13% of the cap for eight years and you need him to be effective to have team success. He's untradable. Add Kadri to that and it's 20% of the cap between two players.

In that situation, the players are going to stay and the coach is going to go. And you have to bring in a new coach who can hopefully get more out of your assets. Even if Sutter was super supportive, super positive, pooped rainbows, etc, he'd be gone if his system didn't mesh with the franchise players and neither were able to adapt. You need coaches and players to mesh.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This developing conspiracy theory about Sutter being used as a scapegoat or this all secretly coming from the minds of two new players is just bizarre to me. There's no reason not to believe Maloney is being honest and plenty of smoke that suggests this was more than two players. If it was just two players, nobody would go through the effort of making up rumours about it being multiple players, coaches, training staff, etc. Let's not forget to use our heads a little bit here.

It's not a conspiracy theory and I don't want it come across that way. Sutter contributed to a negative environment. Multiple players had issues with Sutter. Corroborated by multiple people in the organization. Let's say that's all true and Maloney is being honest in his understanding and characterization of that.

All the above can be true and still have had an immaterial net impact on team success. Even if Sutter was super negative and uncompromising, the fault of missing the playoffs might still be mostly attributable to poor team construction and poor performance of specific roster players. It's not either/or. And Maloney is going to be biased against seeing that possibility because they were directly responsible for team construction (along with Tre) and they believe in that team construction.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

100% agreed. No argument there. This is exactly how I understood it. Backlund wants to win. There was an issue that got in the way of winning. If the problem wasn't solved, Backlund felt the team couldn't win and thus Backlund would leave to go somewhere where he could win.

But the problem was some of the players AND Sutter. The problem wasn't just Sutter. Elliot Friedman has implied this at least three times in different podcasts - multiple players on the Flames felt the problem was both Sutter and the players who hated Sutter.

So Sutter is gone, but the players remain. Is the problem solved? Maybe. Maybe not.



I don't think its a stretch to say that Huby couldn't adjust his game while still being a point-per-game player. Sutter and Huby didn't mesh. It wasn't going to happen. The coach couldn't adjust. The player couldn't adjust. He's your franchise forward eating up 10%-13% of the cap for eight years and you need him to be effective to have team success. He's untradable. Add Kadri to that and it's 20% of the cap between two players.

In that situation, the players are going to stay and the coach is going to go. And you have to bring in a new coach who can hopefully get more out of your assets. Even if Sutter was super supportive, super positive, pooped rainbows, etc, he'd be gone if his system didn't mesh with the franchise players and neither were able to adapt. You need coaches and players to mesh.



It's not a conspiracy theory and I don't want it come across that way. Sutter contributed to a negative environment. Multiple players had issues with Sutter. Corroborated by multiple people in the organization. Let's say that's all true and Maloney is being honest in his understanding and characterization of that.

All the above can be true and still have had an immaterial net impact on team success. Even if Sutter was super negative and uncompromising, the fault of missing the playoffs might still be mostly attributable to poor team construction and poor performance of specific roster players. It's not either/or. And Maloney is going to be biased against seeing that possibility because they were directly responsible for team construction (along with Tre) and they believe in that team construction.

It isn’t an either or situation, but to suggest the Sutter conduct had an immaterial net impact is utterly implausible. It would imply that coaching just doesn’t matter. I don’t think that is true, and I think we need to take the reporting at face value: there was a toxic atmosphere surrounding the Flames. I lay that largely on the HC.

[Hack&Lube]

Trade requests reportedly rescinded or died down after Sutter's exit confirmed.

https://flamesnation.ca/news/seraval...ters-departure

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Trade requests reportedly rescinded or died down after Sutter's exit confirmed.

https://flamesnation.ca/news/seraval...ters-departure

Damn that is some of the worst news of the offseason.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Damn that is some of the worst news of the offseason.

Don't worry, there will be blood spilled by the players this off-season too. I fully expect half of the Vets to be gone.

[Flames_Gimp]

the team agrees with me aparentally, i bet it's Sutters treatment of star players that got him canned. If Players aren't happy here, there won't be success, it will just lead to star players wanting out and other stars will be less likely to come here.

Going from division win to not making playoffs, heads are rolling. I don't think Daryl is a good fit here anymore. Hopefully a good replacement coming and hopefully no Sutter as gm anouncement.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I believe that style is actually mandated by the Sun, as it pegs its readership at a Grade 5 level of ability and comprehension.

Do they still have a readership in the post-Onlyfans era?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't worry, there will be blood spilled by the players this off-season too. I fully expect half of the Vets to be gone.

Please sweet jesus.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

the team agrees with me aparentally, i bet it's Sutters treatment of star players that got him canned. If Players aren't happy here, there won't be success, it will just lead to star players wanting out and other stars will be less likely to come here.

Going from division win to not making playoffs, heads are rolling. I don't think Daryl is a good fit here anymore. Hopefully a good replacement coming and hopefully no Sutter as gm anouncement.

What?

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't worry, there will be blood spilled by the players this off-season too. I fully expect half of the Vets to be gone.

hannifin and/or tanev are probably gone need to get under cap and have some leeway for the unexpected.

[GioforPM]

Huberdeau was close to a PPG player in the stretch run of about 15 games, playing with Backlund, so a return to some kind of form, isn’t a stretch.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Huberdeau was close to a PPG player in the stretch run of about 15 games, playing with Backlund, so a return to some kind of form, isn’t a stretch.

11 points in his last 15 games. For a guy who has been streaky his whole career, that’s not much of a heater.

I’m with you though, hopeful he gets back to something like a point a game. That’s realistic and is in fact better than his career average. 115 points was always an outlier, he has the same number of 100 point seasons as Ryan Nugent Hopkins. To be clear, he has produced better than RNH over his career, I just think calling him a 115 point player is a little misleading.