[News] Cammalleri has NOT been traded. Upd: Cammalleri likely heading to free agency

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

If he demands $6 mil, we should walk away. Do not want at that price.

We're going to be nowhere near the cap for the next few years, honestly what's the difference. Pay him to take a leadership role and show our kids what it means to be a professional and have a work ethic on and off the ice. Like a lot of others have said, it's more about term.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by FeyWest

I think given the circumstances and what he brings to the team, $6M is reasonable it's the term we need to be careful with.

We currently need roughly $13M in salary to reach the floor, signing Cammy is a good idea just don't add any NMC/NTC and it's even better.

You can't sign guys based on what the market wants because TDL is so fickle and unstable it's not a good measuring stick of what guys are worth.

Signing Cammy brings us to $7M, a need to sign a backup 'tender, Butler to either sign or fill his spot, and 4 RFA's to decide whether to retain or not. There's nobody in FA I desperately want so I think we should do what we can with what we have for the time being.

I doubt the Flames will have any problems adding cap to reach the salary cap floor.

However, personally I would hope the Flames don't sign him to a contract valued at $6m per season.

As he is going to want a multi year deal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

$6 million dollars should be worth about a 1st round pick. Squid was offered no higher than 3rd rounder at the trade deadline.

If he demands $6 mil, we should walk away. Do not want at that price.

Attempting to assess his value based on last year's TD would be a mistake, IMO. The market was temporarily weak due to circumstance. The cap was artificially low, causing many teams to be extremely tight. And there were several big players in play, muddying the waters and causing deals to be delayed until it was too late.

Cammalleri's value is substantially higher than a 3rd round pick.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

$6 million dollars should be worth about a 1st round pick. Squid was offered no higher than 3rd rounder at the trade deadline.

If he demands $6 mil, we should walk away. Do not want at that price.

This has to be the stupidest reasoning I have heard. So what you are saying is Paul Gaustad is worth more than Cammalleri and Vanek right?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

This has to be the stupidest reasoning I have heard. So what you are saying is Paul Gaustad is worth more than Cammalleri and Vanek right?

Reciprocal question: Do you think Cammalleri is worth six million per year?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Reciprocal question: Do you think Cammalleri is worth six million per year?

When you look at other salaries around the league and the fact we are a rebuilding team that will have trouble attracting UFAs and need to reach the cap floor?

Yeah, I have no problem paying him $6 million per year.

But him being worth it or not doesn't change your rationale behind it from being completely and utterly moronic

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

When you look at other salaries around the league and the fact we are a rebuilding team that will have trouble attracting UFAs and need to reach the cap floor?

Yeah, I have no problem paying him $6 million per year.

Well then that's where you and I differ. I do not think he's worth $6 million per year. However. I'd be willing to wager to that someone other than Calgary is going to offer him more based on traditional Free Agent craziness come July 1.

I want Calgary to stay away from him at that price. Cammalleri should not be receiving a raise from us based on the fact that we need to throw money at someone -anyone - to get to the cap floor.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

But him being worth it or not doesn't change your rationale behind it from being completely and utterly moronic

I love you.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well then that's where you and I differ. I do not think he's worth $6 million per year. However. I'd be willing to wager to that someone other than Calgary is going to offer him more based on traditional Free Agent craziness come July 1.

I want Calgary to stay away from him at that price. Cammalleri should not be receiving a raise from us based on the fact that we need to throw money at someone -anyone - to get to the cap floor.

Just in case you were wondering, $6,000,000 would actually be a pay cut of $1,000,000 and not a raise.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

If Gaborik signs for 3 x $6 mil, I would think Cammi's value would be a little less than that. Hard to say. Obviously he is going to test the market. I would not want to make an offer with excessive term, just because of a perceived cap floor issue.

[Blarg]

I wonder if the Flames are trying to sign cammy not just cause he would be a good player for us, but that he would also put roots down so that when he retires, he would work as the special assistant to the gm, ala Conroy?

Cammalleri always seemed to be upper managment material to me, being on the competition committee and an active participant during the lockout.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Just in case you were wondering, $6,000,000 would actually be a pay cut of $1,000,000 and not a raise.

Oh goody. Let's reward a guy who hasn't scored more than 50 points since 2008-2009 with a $6 million/year contract.

[automaton 3]

I think $6m is not unreasonable (if that is in fact the #).

He only played 63 games (and didn't look great when he first returned from injury) and still managed 26 goals - tied for 39th in the league.

As others have mentioned, I think the sticking points will be moreso term and the scope of the no-movement clause.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Oh goody. Let's reward a guy who hasn't scored more than 50 points since 2008-2009 with a $6 million/year contract.

Still waiting for you to answer my question.

Is Gaustad worth more than Cammalleri or Vanek?

You know because what you get in a trade determines how much a player is worth for their contract.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

If Gaborik signs for 3 x $6 mil, I would think Cammi's value would be a little less than that. Hard to say. Obviously he is going to test the market. I would not want to make an offer with excessive term, just because of a perceived cap floor issue.

Due to our different circumstances I would think that L.A. can get away with paying a little less than market value where we would need to pay a little more.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Still waiting for you to answer my question.

Is Gaustad worth more than Cammalleri or Vanek?

You know because what you get in a trade determines how much a player is worth for their contract.

Yes. Gaustad is worth more than Cammalleri, Vanek, Crosby, Gretzky, Maple Leaf Sports Entertainment, the IIHF, three Stanley Cups, the Slap Shot movie franchise and Harvey the Hound's stolen tongue.

He's worth all that and more, I think we should consider him a national treasure and add his awesomeness to our net contribution of GDP.

Did I satisfy your ego stroking? Or shall I continue to wax your proverbial hockey fantasy carrot?

[kyuss275]

It's pretty obvious that the flames want Cammi back. Obviously the sticking point is term. If they do come to an agreement, I wonder what the plan is for Hudler?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yes. Gaustad is worth more than Cammalleri, Vanek, Crosby, Gretzky, Maple Leaf Sports Entertainment, the IIHF, three Stanley Cups, the Slap Shot movie franchise and Harvey the Hound's stolen tongue.

He's worth all that and more, I think we should consider him a national treasure and add his awesomeness to our net contribution of GDP.

Did I satisfy your ego stroking? Or shall I continue to wax your proverbial hockey fantasy carrot?

It looks like it pains you to admit you are wrong.

I have no issue if you say Cammalleri is not worth $6 million, because it is debatable at the very least. But to use something as ridiculous as a trade offer as justification is asinine and makes zero sense. Especially when the trade never happened because the Flames valued him higher than what the offer was for, which is a part of the equation you really can't ignore.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It looks like it pains you to admit you are wrong.

I have no issue if you say Cammalleri is not worth $6 million, because it is debatable at the very least. But to use something as ridiculous as a trade offer as justification is asinine and makes zero sense. Especially when the trade never happened because the Flames valued him higher than what the offer was for, which is a part of the equation you really can't ignore.

Actually I don't think it's exact value (I'll lube you up for that one), but I do think it's a reflection of his general value. No team wanted to pony up to get him because they knew it just wasn't worth it for a guy like Cammy. Even if he's had a decent playoff history with the Habs. Had Cammy scored 80 points rather than 45, he might not have stayed. It's just not worth it for a guy who had a subpar season.

And I can certainly tell you that the trade deadline is not a reflection of actual value, as it is more of a short-term feeding frenzy than long-term strategy session. Trading for Gaustad for that much was a mistake and a stupid move.

[FeyWest]

@Ozy_Flame

In the end if you are going to suggest not signing Cammy back who do you get instead given the FA market, we have to fill his spot somehow and I don't think it should be Hudler or Glenny on the 1st line nor a young prospect.

To me the reason I'd be willing to bring Cammy back is I can't see any better easy additions, he's good to have since he'd shelter our young prospects for at least a year or two, and we know (or at least by all accounts I've seen) how he is in the locker room and knows the systems Hartley plays making a transition into next year next to nothing.

is he worth $6M? Maybe not and that's debatable but if he's testing the market and $6M is a rumored number Treliving offered then that means there's a chance other teams are willing to pay more.

I just can't see it being that much of an issue if we're using him to bridge us through the rebuild. I mean we could go after Olli Jokinen (please no...) if you'd like but to the extent of FA I can't see any upgrades to Cammy. Just how I feel.

And I don't see how it's considered a reward if you're giving him a $1M paycut??