Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

And I have demonstrated with quite a bit of force that the potential health benefits are quite vast, mainly ignored, and tend to effect primarily young people.

Your "force" has been piggy backing off one one graph with a tiny sample size and studies that have, at best, been shown to not necessarily reflect the truth.

This whole argument tends to be based in economic impacts. If your concern is impacts on health, you need to take a long hard look at everything from hard drugs to Kraft Mac and Cheese.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Your "force" has been piggy backing off one one graph with a tiny sample size and studies that have, at best, been shown to not necessarily reflect the truth.

This whole argument tends to be based in economic impacts. If your concern is impacts on health, you need to take a long hard look at everything from hard drugs to Kraft Mac and Cheese.

Good lord, the equivocation.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

But you want the government to benefit from you abusing your own body through taxation?

Okay.

Well wouldn't they be recouping some of the costs I might impose on the health care system?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well wouldn't they be recouping some of the costs I might impose on the health care system?

The cynicism is shocking.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by peter12

That's interesting, and would appear to support your position. I do note that the authors admit their sample, and survey procedures invalidate their results from being compared with previous surveys. That is certainly a strike against.

When taking a deeper look, it appears that peaks and troughs are strongly correlated with the availability of drugs. I remember reading that the coffee shops serving marijuana had been greatly reduced around the time your study was written. It appears that I was correct.


http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Co...ion/korf-e.htm

Netherlands is not a fully legalized/regulated environment. Very hard to compare it to what will happen in Canada.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Netherlands is not a fully legalized/regulated environment. Very hard to compare it to what will happen in Canada.

I was going to say that as well, but I wanted to completely draw his source into disrepute.

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by peter12

Actually the studies that have looked into the positive benefits of marijuana have come up with pretty unimpressive results.

You might want to look at some of the benefits of high CBD strains, they have been shown to be life altering for many suffering from severe seizures.

THC has little benefit medically, CBD shows massive potential.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

Good lord, the equivocation.

Well what's the problem? You have an issue with a possible correlation with increased mental health risk, fine. If that's your one concern for bringing a product to market, why ignore all the other things we allow to circulate our marketplace with similar or worse health impacts?

If there's anything we should outlaw for health reasons, it should be soda pop.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well what's the problem? You have an issue with a possible correlation with increased mental health risk, fine. If that's your one concern for bringing a product to market, why ignore all the other things we allow to circulate our marketplace with similar or worse health impacts?

I stated earlier that I found our society's position on many harmful substances to be very hypocritical. Doesn't mean that we should do even worse, does it?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flacker

You might want to look at some of the benefits of high CBD strains, they have been shown to be life altering for many suffering from severe seizures.

THC has little benefit medically, CBD shows massive potential.

Yes, I have seen that, and I find it interesting. It is also only anecdotal at this stage, isn't it?

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Then you also have to compare those rates to every other drug and see which is most likely to cause this issue, because I would bet my bottom dollar that you can find correlation for almost anything. And also define what you consider "mental illness" and if it is causing them, enhancing them, or correlated in the way that mental illness breeds drug use, and not the other way around.

These studies are done with the premise going in that there is a link between mental health issues and MJ use. This is because the only research we are currently allowed to do into effects of illicit drugs is into their negative impacts. So even with studies actively looking for that correlation, the research comes up as pretty inconclusive.

Only marijuana is being considered for legalization.

Proving how bad the other drugs are is irrelevant, they are illegal, and not being considered for legalization.

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yes, I have seen that, and I find it interesting. It is also only anecdotal at this stage, isn't it?

Anecdotal, in my opinion, due to the fact that no one wants to sewer their career researching an illegal/controlled substance.

Legitimized research would be a benefit of legalization.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yeah, I think hallucinogenic drugs have interesting aspects to them as well.

Marijuana is just a wretched little drug with massive side effects, but that has benefited from a massive propaganda campaign - mainly driven by corporations who want to make billions of dollars selling the stuff.

Alright I didn't realize you were trolling until just now.

Well done buddy. I usually don't feed the trolls, but you did a good job masking it.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flacker

Anecdotal, in my opinion, due to the fact that no one wants to sewer their career researching an illegal/controlled substance.

If it works to help children with intense brain seizures, then I think a medical researcher with ambition would be chomping at the bit to get a study published. Probably ethically difficult to get a sample together though.

That said, I am not saying that substances should be used in very controlled and restricted ways to cure, or treat serious medical conditions. We are talking about recreational use.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Alright I didn't realize you were trolling until just now.

Well done buddy. I usually don't feed the trolls, but you did a good job masking it.

Seriously, man. You lost the argument.

http://montrealgazette.com/business/...ada-and-quebec

[polak]

How about you stop looking at it as a health issue and start looking it as a freedom issue.

Do you agree with the government being able to put you in jail because of a choice you made that had no impact on anyone else but yourself?

Not only that, but they are not seeing any revenue from current users to pay for the claimed medical impact that they put on the health care system from smoking so does it make more sense to to spend money on locking these people up and treating them without recouping any costs, or does it make more sense to stop spending money on locking people up and start generating revenue from their habit to pay for their eventual medical needs?

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by peter12

Seriously, man. You lost the argument.

http://montrealgazette.com/business/...ada-and-quebec

Anybody without a criminal background can apply to Health Canada to become a licensed grower. You will likely need some financial backers, but not out of the question for any entrepreneurial Canadian.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by peter12

Seriously, man. You lost the argument.

http://montrealgazette.com/business/...ada-and-quebec

You literally have 100 posts on this thread in the past 2 days. That seems more like a loser trying to save face than anything.

For every source you post, there is a counter post. Please don't ignore this one like you ignore ALL the other ones that don't fit your narrative.

http://www.republicreport.org/2012/m...lobby-illegal/

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

You literally have 100 posts on this thread in the past 2 days. That seems more like a loser trying to save face than anything.

For every source you post, there is a counter post. Please don't ignore this one like you ignore ALL the other ones that don't fit your narrative.

http://www.republicreport.org/2012/m...lobby-illegal/

Sorry. I live in Canada. I want to learn from their mistakes. I've just done my best to show that legalization is not a wise course of action, and that a lot of evidence supports my position.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by peter12

Sorry. I live in Canada. I want to learn from their mistakes. I've just done my best to show that legalization is not a wise course of action, and that a lot of evidence supports my position.

This is probably the most naive and ignorant thing I've ever read on CP.