[PGT] Flames win! John Michael Gaudreau wins it in OT!

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by AC

I had more of an issue with Millen wondering after ever icing, missed opportunity, or whatever if that might have been the mistake that costs the Flames the series!

I tuned Millen out. He shtick is a bit on the pessimistic side I think. Thankfully I just accepted that early on.

A number of people I've watched games with have the same kind of takes on the play - e.g. "oh that was it, gonna cost them just wait!", which is why I watch with less people these days

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Its weird that it ruffles your feathers to this extent. I'm just looking out for my cardiovascular health, and yes going into sudden death OT those kind if comments do not help!

So what?

Hrudey has had some strange takes this season and seems to pull hard for someone on the team opposing the Flames in each game they play. Its a bit odd and im not sure if he's taking a page out of Cassie's book but it seems like Kelly has been going out of his way this year.

I'm probably barely going to watch the panels this series for my own sanity so I don't care, they can say whatever they want.

You're all pro-opinion so I don't know why you have to knock mine. I said IMO. Why not just take agree to disagree and go about your day. Really petty thing to go out of your way to grill a fellow fan about.

Not your job to lecture others on what we can or can't think about analysts and their remarks. I can say I don't like it if I want.

Probably because I worked in the media. And I object to the growing trend for people to want to dictate what analysts say.

Moreover I am frankly tired of all the whining about the media.
Every fan base whines about the commentators being against their team.

Tells me that generally there is a lot of balance out there.

You can say you don't like it. And I turn can say I disagree with your opinion. And again there is a difference from disagreeing with what a commentator says v. saying they should not have said it at all. The former is fine. The latter is problematic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Probably because I worked in the media. And I object to the growing trend for people to want to dictate what analysts say.

Moreover I am frankly tired of all the whining about the media.
Every fan base whines about the commentators being against their team.

Tells me that generally there is a lot of balance out there.

You can say you don't like it. And I turn can say I disagree with your opinion. And again there is a difference from disagreeing with what a commentator says v. saying they should not have said it at all. The former is fine. The latter is problematic.

Mostly yeah. Oiler fans think Debrusk is too pro-opposition (LOL). I'm fine with Hrudey and Cassie in this regard (to some extent I think Cassie assumes viewers know less about opposition players so she talks about them more).

I do dislike Ron Maclean's obvious bias (that "good luck" before LA won in OT was just cringy).

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hanifin was a big part of the good stuff in OT and if not for a loose goal stick, he'd have been the hero. Led the team in shots.

Yeah, he was on the ice when Benn scored. So was Lindholm and it was Lindholm's man. and their second goal was (a) Rasmus didn't get it deep, Hanifin had to cover the centre and no one took the RW. Neither Gaudreau, who was late on the backcheck or Lindholm, who got sucked way over on the left to the puck carrier (who Rasmus was already checking).

Precise and totally correct.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Doesn’t sport media exist purely to spark discussion?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

Precise and totally correct.

Totally is the best kind of correct.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Probably because I worked in the media. And I object to the growing trend for people to want to dictate what analysts say.

Moreover I am frankly tired of all the whining about the media.
Every fan base whines about the commentators being against their team.

Tells me that generally there is a lot of balance out there.

You can say you don't like it. And I turn can say I disagree with your opinion. And again there is a difference from disagreeing with what a commentator says v. saying they should not have said it at all. The former is fine. The latter is problematic.

That's how people like their media these days, hate to say it.

No need to be reactive about it though.

Perhaps try explaining why you think its important that we retain those opinionated/oppositional takes in the media from your insider perspective/insight rather than judging posters in a condescending manner on the internet.

I'd be willing, even eager to listen to your perspective if you offered it in an informational/debating manner rather than saying its "weird" that I don't like something or react a certain way to the panels.

That's not the way to sway people to your side of the fence. And no matter what, it's impossible to convince everybody anyways so this emotionally fuelled fued you have with the typical audience today is a futile endeavor to begin with. Maybe its time to come to terms with that emotionally? It's not worth harboring that angst towards people for being emotional and wanting to hear things that please them. People don't hold their interests and fandoms to a code of ethics unfortunately.

I do feel for you in a way, but I think it's not the best way to go about it is all.

[djsFlames]

The Flames dominated much of the series and game 7 was the second most dominant playoff performance in history.

*IMO* the home side deserved better than to be done dirty by Hrudes there. Of all the times he needed to give the Flames props, that was it. He deserves all the boo birds! But he's entitled to his opinion nevertheless, despite how we may not like it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I'm not trying to sway you. I'm just disagreeing with you.
And frankly it's hypocritical of the guy that started a wall of shame to now lecture someone else on the best way to disagree with someone on this site.

I also don't harbor any angst towards you.

But I disagree with people who say that commentators should only say certain things or not say certain things.

Ott was on the verge of stealing the series. What precisely was so wrong with Hrudey saying he might do that? Apart from the fact that you wanted a homer take apparently.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The Flames dominated much of the series and game 7 was the second most dominant playoff performance in history.

*IMO* the home side deserved better than to be done dirty by Hrudes there. Of all the times he needed to give the Flames props, that was it. He deserves all the boo birds! But he's entitled to his opinion nevertheless, despite how we may not like it.

How did he "do them dirty".

Ott was on the verge of stealing the series. At that stage it's a 50/50 thing. And based on how he was playing it was an entirely reasonable take to say that he was going to do it.

Hrudey isn't there to root for the Flames. He isn't there as a Flames fan. He's there to offer his opinion.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Sounds like you wanted something more like this:

"Boy the Flames have dominated this series, and even though Jake is playing well, you have to think they are going to win this somehow".

Yes?

But what IF that's not how Hrudey felt. Should he articulate what he thinks Flames fans want to hear or what he actually thinks.

I know what I prefer.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm not trying to sway you. I'm just disagreeing with you.
And frankly it's hypocritical of the guy that started a wall of shame to now lecture someone else on the best way to disagree with someone on this site.

I also don't harbor any angst towards you.

But I disagree with people who say that commentators should only say certain things or not say certain things.

Ott was on the verge of stealing the series. What precisely was so wrong with Hrudey saying he might do that? Apart from the fact that you wanted a homer take apparently.

I've accepted that I'll get flak from people for a while cause they don't like the Wall.

Its not hypocritical because the Wall is a joke and meant entirely in jest. In fact, I WANT people to continue giving their crazy, hot takes as often as possible because its fun and amusing to myself and others to have a laugh about it later.

Anyways, you do you.

[Jay Random]

It looks to me as if Hrudey is letting his personal dislike of the coach dictate his opinion of the whole team. I'd like it if that didn't happen.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sounds like you wanted something more like this:

"Boy the Flames have dominated this series, and even though Jake is playing well, you have to think they are going to win this somehow".

Yes?

But what IF that's not how Hrudey felt. Should he articulate what he thinks Flames fans want to hear or what he actually thinks.

I know what I prefer.

Hrudey was giving oppositional takes all season. It was progressing beyond just thinking differently and evolving into what seemed like an agenda.

Even the ever-maligned Francis has come around to this team because they have earned props and leeway with the media.

It was against the grain. He's entitled to it (what am I gonna do? I can't do anything lol) but I and others can say it sucked and was in poor taste of the Flames broadcast.

End of the day, none of it is a big deal.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I've accepted that I'll get flak from people for a while cause they don't like the Wall.

Its not hypocritical because the Wall is a joke and meant entirely in jest. In fact, I WANT people to continue giving their crazy, hot takes as often as possible because its fun and amusing to myself and others to have a laugh about it later.

Anyways, you do you.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Buff

That's cause you're Buff!

[FlamesAddiction]

I like Hrudey, I just wish he would be a bigger Flames homer as he is part of so many Flames broadcasts. It seems he tries to give an air of being objective to the point that he over compensates by giving the opponents more credit that they deserve. I think he loves the Flames, but he tries hard to make everyone happy which sometimes just makes no one happy.

Not to psychoanalyze the guy too much, but he seems like a really sensitive person. That's not a bad thing and would explain why he didn't get along well with Sutter and why he sometimes downplays the Flames to make everyone feel equal. Another example is how he always downplays his playing career in front of other broadcasters so that he doesn't elevate himself in front of them. He will relate his professional experiences, but then will follow with some self-deprecating humour about not being a good player. Of course, he is really humble about his career. He was a pretty darn good goalie for that era but would never admit it.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The Flames dominated much of the series and game 7 was the second most dominant playoff performance in history.

What metrics were used to make that assessment?

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It looks to me as if Hrudey is letting his personal dislike of the coach dictate his opinion of the whole team. I'd like it if that didn't happen.

I must have missed this - he seems like such a mild- mannered guy. When did Hrudey say he didn’t like Sutter?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

What metrics were used to make that assessment?

+39 shot differential.

Someone tweet linked it earlier.