2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Very good point. I was just about to say the same thing myself. We keep hearing at the start of the year how good this team is and each year they disappoint. Even last year they only won one round and then lose 4 gams in a row to the greasers.Hardly a successful season. So minus the players from last year how was this team going to be better but all we heard ws the summer of brad and this team was a contender.This team is so overvalued each year. Even back when they played the Avs and lost 4 games straight to them and all we heard was how the flames would easily handle them.

This team has foundational issues. It is not all on Treliving. Some of it is on ownership and the philosophy they have of lets just at least get in and make the home date revenue. It has been like that for decades. They don't want to tear it down and build it up and do it the proper way. Through drafting and developing. This team had a big opportunity to start fresh this offseason but now are committed to long term deals and bringing in a 32 yrold and signing him for seven years. They are just trying to stay competitive but then you end up in the middle. It is Tre team and he only has 2 playoff rounds won in 9yrs and that is not good enough and if he leaves there will be quite the mess left with some of these contracts, not much on the farm and very little NHL success.

Before last season most on here said it was a bottom five team...I got mocked and called a huge homer for saying they were a pacific playoff team (I didn't dare pick them to win it)

Not sure how anyone can say last regular season didn't far exceed expectations. Playoffs I agree, after the season they were a letdown

[butterfly]

They wouldn't have Lindholm or Hanifin if they had Fox. It's a bit disingenuous to magically add Fox back into post hoc analysis.

[Macho0978]

Since 2000-01 the Flames have made the playoffs 10 times. This is not far off the best teams in this stretch. Boston and Pittsburgh have made it 16 times.

The Flames have had 3 100-point regular season. This puts them with 7 times making the playoffs but failing to get 100 points. I'm not done going through every team, but they lead so far (half done) of teams that made the playoffs but failed to get 100 points. Just squeaking in every year.

The Flames are near the bottom in playoff series wins. Tied with a team like Buffalo with 5 and behind the Oilers who have 6.

I like watching playoff hockey but the excitement of making the 2nd round or later makes the season so much more memorable. 5 playoff series wins and 3 in 04 just isn't good enough for a 20+ year stretch. The 90's weren't exactly fun to watch either.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by butterfly

They wouldn't have Lindholm or Hanifin if they had Fox. It's a bit disingenuous to magically add Fox back into post hoc analysis.

Fox stays and we still make the trade. Fox was worth a 2nd and that's what we would be missing.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Fox stays and we still make the trade. Fox was worth a 2nd and that's what we would be missing.

Carolina doesn't do the trade without Fox.

Simple as that.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Carolina doesn't do the trade without Fox.

Simple as that.

Wow...you must have been in the room.

My apologies

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Wow...you must have been in the room.

My apologies

You don’t have to be in the room to know that Carolina wasn’t going to trade away two cost-controlled players for 2 players that were going to eventually be UFAs, both in which left when they could. They had every intention of signing Fox because he said he’d consider signing there but also ****ed them over too.

[Poe969]

Would you do a deal around Huberdeau at 50% to Montreal for first overall/Bedard?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Would you do a deal around Huberdeau at 50% to Montreal for first overall/Bedard?

What kind of awful proposal is this? Montreal says **** no.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Would you do a deal around Huberdeau at 50% to Montreal for first overall/Bedard?

Um yeah I would any flames fan would lol. Montreal would not.

[PepsiFree]

Nobody is going to trade the Bedard pick, but I imagine it starts with Huberdeau retained, the Flames 1st, Coronato, and Wolf.

And then you start adding.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

You don’t have to be in the room to know that Carolina wasn’t going to trade away two cost-controlled players for 2 players that were going to eventually be UFAs, both in which left when they could. They had every intention of signing Fox because he said he’d consider signing there but also ****ed them over too.

General consensus was that they really really wanted Hamilton. Fox wasn’t the deal beaker. Nobody knew what he was back then.

[TheScorpion]

I don't think any team takes the Huberdeau contract for free right now. It would take a crippling amount of retention for any team to even consider it.

[memphusk]

Boy oh boy Calgary is ####ed for awhile.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think any team takes the Huberdeau contract for free right now. It would take a crippling amount of retention for any team to even consider it.

This is a hard sad truth.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Would you do a deal around Huberdeau at 50% to Montreal for first overall/Bedard?

Has the draft lottery been held already?

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nobody is going to trade the Bedard pick, but I imagine it starts with Huberdeau retained, the Flames 1st, Coronato, and Wolf.

And then you start adding.

If Oilers fails again and McDavid wants out, do oilers trade him for Bedard pick?

[FlamesAddiction]

Honestly, if we could dump that contract without adding assets or retention, and get nothing back, it would be a positive. The Huberdeau contract has the potential to be the worst contract in NHL history if he doesn't have a massive turnaround. Top 5 for sure.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Boy oh boy Calgary is ####ed for awhile.

The current state is not the forever state.
Huberdeau is not a 50 point player going forward. He's probably not a 100 point forward but something in between.

The best thing for everyone is for them to figure it out. Which may require the coach and the player getting on the same page for the player to succeed without compromising the core of what the coach wants.

If Huberdeau wants to be traded at some point, his path to that is playing better. A single season back close to PPGs will make him a moveable asset again.

What we are seeing this season won't be the way this plays out for years. Something will change.
- He will play better and then be traded or not
- Or the coach will be gone.

At this stage no matter how much the team and owners like the coach, they have much more invested in, for a much longer period of time in the player.

At some point that will start to matter. Not saying now. But it will.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Wow...you must have been in the room.

My apologies

Treliving is on record saying they tried to get the deal done without Fox in it, and Carolina wouldn't do it.