I agree that killing 13 children to kill any one terrorist is not worth it. I don't see how that calculus would be accaptable. If it's true then it's probably based on bad intel.
Those are also Hamas numbers. It has been shown that Hamas makes up the numbers, in order to increase the pressure on Israel. Why admit that Israel just killed 20 terrorists when you can claim they killed 20 women and children.
Here's my issue with how you analyze things. You always give Israel the benefit of the doubt, and don't in any way believe they could be operating in a malicious way. You've just made an excuse for them as the most likely. Yet from their own mouths....
So do I believe your excuse you came up with based entirely on your own personal biases(no facts), or the words directs from the mouth of the people doing it?
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The choice of terms for Palestinian citizens of Israel (a.k.a. Arab citizens of Israel et al.) is a highly politicized issue, and there is a broad range of labels that members of this community use to self-identity.[1][2]Generally speaking, supporters of Israel tend to use Israeli Arab or Arab Israeli to refer to this population without mentioning Palestine, while critics of Israel (or supporters of Palestinians) tend to use Palestinian or Palestinian Arab without referencing Israel.[3] According to The New York Times, most preferred to identify themselves as Palestinian citizens of Israel rather than as Israeli Arabs, as of 2012.
I am not sure if you are purposefully pushing an agenda, but you are most certainly pushing one, perhaps subconsciously due to the influence you have had. Either way, your posts here on this forum should be regarded as highly suspect by everyone reading them.
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I am not sure if you are purposefully pushing an agenda, but you are most certainly pushing one, perhaps subconsciously due to the influence you have had. Either way, your posts here on this forum should be regarded as highly suspect by everyone reading them.
For sure they are. I wouldn’t trust any far right supporter of Russia on anything.
Here's my issue with how you analyze things. You always give Israel the benefit of the doubt, and don't in any way believe they could be operating in a malicious way. You've just made an excuse for them as the most likely. Yet from their own mouths....
So do I believe your excuse you came up with based entirely on your own personal biases(no facts), or the words directs from the mouth of the people doing it?
It's interesting that you casually mention I don't base anything on facts, but only biases.
Let's look at the quote from Hagari, luckily for us I'm fluent in Hebrew and could find the exact press conference this was misquoted from.
Here's what he actually says(starting at 1:35):
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...Those attacks are using thousands of munitions, on thousands of targets. They cause maximum damage/destruction[to Hamas] in areas within the [Gaza] strip. The attacks are made by using every(even the tiniest) piece of intelligence.Those areas include staging areas for terrorists that planned to attack Israel, houses of commanders, command centers, infrastructure used for headquarters. That's the list of the targets in the attacks
I don't doubt Tali Goltiv said something along those lines. That was what 2 days after the worst massacre Israel has ever experienced? It caters to her voter base, whose emotions were high, and think you should be harder on terrorists, and see the Palestinians as a whole responsible for the atrocities committed. She's not military personnel, she doesn't participate in the defense cabinet, nor in any military decisions. Guess what though, no one Nuked Gaza just because emotions were running high.
As for Ezra Yashin. I didn't hear him speak. And who is he exactly? A guy that decided to attempt and motivate soldiers after the 7th. Does he participate in battle, or any military decisions? No!
I am not sure if you are purposefully pushing an agenda, but you are most certainly pushing one, perhaps subconsciously due to the influence you have had. Either way, your posts here on this forum should be regarded as highly suspect by everyone reading them.
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“Arab citizens of Israel, many of whom want to be identified as Palestinians, make up some 18 percent of the population,” wrote the Times in a story about Israeli Arabs after Hamas’s attacks. Well, the reporter identified two such people, so perhaps we have a slightly different definition of “many.” (The Times probably uses the Gaza Health Ministry’s definition.) Such lines are worded this way to give the impression that Arabs in Israel do not identify with their state and in fact believe they are themselves under some form of occupation.
And now we know from reading the New York Times that at least two people feel this way.
The truth is more complicated but also more rewarding for anyone who wants to understand the conflict. Israeli columnist Nadav Eyal points to a new study, which finds a decrease in Arabs’ description of their “most important identity factor” as Arab and an increase in those “who say the most important part of their identity is Israeli citizenship, which now stands at over 33%, surpassing all other factors (religious affiliation, Palestinian identity, and Arab identity).”
Israeli was the top choice for the most important facet of Arab-Israeli identity. The least popular choice? Palestinian, with 8 percent. That certainly counts as “many” people if, say, you’re stuck in an elevator with all them.
This is pretty evil... Not allowing rescue or aid to come in.
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Israel has threatened to strike Lebanese search and rescue teams if they go to the southern suburbs of Beirut to help those trapped under the rubble, according to Lebanon’s Civil Defence.
Following Israel’s massive strike on a residential neighbourhood in Dahieh overnight, the Civil Defence – administered by the Ministry of Interior - received a call saying any teams heading to the area within 72 hours of the attack will be struck, they told the BBC.
Lebanon’s national news agency said the Prime Minister Najib Mikati has made several calls to foreign officials asking them to pressure Israel to allow search and rescue teams to do their work.
Israel has hit rescue teams and health workers across south Lebanon and in Beirut, killing and wounding dozens. Yesterday the Lebanese minister of health said Israel had killed 97 health and search and rescue workers so far and injured 188.
Love the addition at the end trying to discredit me as always.
EDIT: also it tells me you've never been to Israel or ever talked to Israeli Arabs. You listen to whatever misinformation you're fed.
Yes, the notorious misinformation feeders of a well referenced Wiki page or...The Carnegie Endowment written by a Palestinian American with an MBA in human Rights. That lying Hamas terrorist!
You can't trust the numbers coming from the Lebanese minister of health, they are clearly obviously inflated and include Hamas, err Hezbollah terrorists. Don't you know that nobody is more careful than the IDF? Fake news!
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Yes, the notorious misinformation feeders of a well referenced Wiki page or...The Carnegie Endowment written by a Palestinian American with an MBA in human Rights. That lying Hamas terrorist!
It references the New York Times in that statement! That article directly addresses that article and therefore the reference for the wiki page.
Targets like that have an NCV(non-combatant cutoff value), people like to claim that one civilian life negates any action at all, but that's just not true. NCV is the number of civilians you're legally allowed as collateral damage in order to strike.
Awesome, more equations so that we can figure out how many people we're allowed to kill without it being N+1 over the line. Hopefully gvitaly fills us in on the exact NCV coefficients for every case so that I can solve the equation for the peak value.
I wonder how it feels being a useful idiot advancing the immoral cause of mass deaths.
Ffs. No it's not all that there. That is an opinion piece in a Jewish magazine written by a Jewish statistician. If he had any confidence in his work he'd throw it out for peer review.
Here's what The Lancet has to say on the matter.
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The Ministry's figures have been contested by the Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate by Israeli intelligence services,2 the UN, and WHO. These data are supported by independent analyses, comparing changes in the number of deaths of UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff with those reported by the Ministry,3 which found claims of data fabrication implausible.4
And remember. These are are direct deaths that are being reported. The same article estimates conservatively that when indirect deaths from the actions of the Israeli genocide regime are factored in you're creeping up to 200k.
Out of curiosity how many civilians do you think have been slaughtered? Six? Seven?
US just hit the Houthis in Yemen. Iran is going to start getting backed into a corner here with all of their proxies getting attacked. If you are Iran you kind of have to show a response or else you lose all credibility with your proxies. Many experts are saying this is the closest to a region wide conflict we have seen in a long time.
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