10-31-2023, 10:59 AM
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Had an idea!
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"No more carve outs unless everyone votes Liberal in the next election."
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10-31-2023, 11:23 AM
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#9662
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: YYC
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Now would be a great time for Trudeau to fire Steven Guilbeault. I think most Canadians recognize he's been driving a lot of the Liberal climate strategy and he's not really interested in the balance during the transition, and need for O&G after. It'd be good for Trudeau, but even better for the country to have this wiener gone.
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The fact Trudeau has a such a radical like Guilbeault in cabinet is eye popping on its own. The fact he didn't move him and Freeland out in the affordability-themed summer cabinet shuffle says everything about this current breed of liberals.
At this point there's no one of consequence who can be fired or step down other than Trudeau himself. The arrogant ideological approach and excessive naivety has finally hit a wall and we're all gonna pay for it!
The liberal party used to be the centrist option for those who felt the NDP was too activist/left and the PCs too hard right. Those days are over.
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10-31-2023, 11:33 AM
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#9664
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Would getting rid of the carbon tax encourage you to vote Liberal?
Who have you voted for in the past?
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Admitting that they ####ed up and removing the carbon tax would be a step in the right direction. But the damage done with SNC, WE, blackface, Foreign interference, etc. is too much for me. I disapprove of corrupt governing.
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10-31-2023, 11:48 AM
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#9665
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Franchise Player
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Question to Seamus O Regan today: why didn't the government look at addressing heating fuel affordability previously such as last winter when prices rose significantly?
Answer: just a smug, #### eating grin on his face.
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10-31-2023, 12:00 PM
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#9666
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctorfever
Admitting that they ####ed up and removing the carbon tax would be a step in the right direction. But the damage done with SNC, WE, blackface, Foreign interference, etc. is too much for me. I disapprove of corrupt governing.
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You seem like the type who is worried about issues like blackface.
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10-31-2023, 12:01 PM
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#9667
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary '89
The fact Trudeau has a such a radical like Guilbeault in cabinet is eye popping on its own. The fact he didn't move him and Freeland out in the affordability-themed summer cabinet shuffle says everything about this current breed of liberals.
At this point there's no one of consequence who can be fired or step down other than Trudeau himself. The arrogant ideological approach and excessive naivety has finally hit a wall and we're all gonna pay for it!
The liberal party used to be the centrist option for those who felt the NDP was too activist/left and the PCs too hard right. Those days are over.
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They are still the most centre of any party. And I don't really see any far left policies they have.
Guilbeault may have been a radical in his 20s (more like a stunt environmental activist) but he's pretty well respected in the world of climate these days.
It's better than having Gladu or Cooper or Lanstmann in a shadow cabinet.
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10-31-2023, 12:05 PM
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#9668
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Fonz
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Not too surprising though is it?
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10-31-2023, 12:07 PM
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#9669
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: YYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
They are still the most centre of any party. And I don't really see any far left policies they have.
Guilbeault may have been a radical in his 20s (more like a stunt environmental activist) but he's pretty well respected in the world of climate these days.
It's better than having Gladu or Cooper or Lanstmann in a shadow cabinet.
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You've said it all with that right there. Thanks for your input!
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10-31-2023, 12:21 PM
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#9670
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctorfever
Admitting that they ####ed up and removing the carbon tax would be a step in the right direction. But the damage done with SNC, WE, blackface, Foreign interference, etc. is too much for me. I disapprove of corrupt governing.
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Who have you voted for in the past?
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10-31-2023, 12:37 PM
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#9671
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Calgary '89
You've said it all with that right there. Thanks for your input!
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I'm not sure you've ever met anyone who's far left if that's what you think the Liberal party is.
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10-31-2023, 12:44 PM
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#9672
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#1 Goaltender
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Now that it has come directly from the horse's mouth, that this was a one time special exemption handed to previously Liberal friendly jurisdictions and the rest of Canada will not get carbon tax relief this winter, natural gas users will need to pay a carbon tax while having less carbon emissions than heating oil.
And the response from a Liberal MP stating that the west should elect more Liberal MPs if they want to be heard, it appears that Liberals are admitting that they are distributing taxes based on political representation in specific regions.
If the carbon tax is revenue neutral as claimed, why is a pause needed? If carbon tax is not political and about the environment, why is only heating oil which only locally used in certain jurisdictions being paused?
So many talking points that we have heard constantly over the past years about carbon tax unraveling before our eyes.
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10-31-2023, 12:47 PM
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#9673
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: YYC
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Originally Posted by AFireInside
I'm not sure you've ever met anyone who's far left if that's what you think the Liberal party is.
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I grew up in South America, I've seen and met plenty of left wingers.
This edition of the liberal party is not at all what the previous one was.
Either way it's not their left leaning that's causing them so much trouble, it's their overall incompetence and brutal ideas. Time for an internal change there.
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10-31-2023, 12:48 PM
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#9674
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Franchise Player
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Was the tax on heating oil the same as the tax on natural gas?
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10-31-2023, 12:49 PM
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#9675
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
Not too surprising though is it?
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Well Fuzz was mocking Moe earlier in this thread for even alluding to this.
I wonder if his stance changes with the Sask NDP backing it.
All provincial parties, regardless of political affiliation should unite fight the Liberal-NDP government on their new "carbon tax for thee but not for me" policy. This is not a partisan issue, but a regional fairness issue.
Question is, does the Federal NDP agree with this policy.
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10-31-2023, 12:50 PM
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#9676
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Firebot
Well Fuzz was mocking Moe earlier in this thread for even alluding to this.
I wonder if his stance changes with the Sask NDP backing it.
All provincial parties, regardless of political affiliation should unite fight the Liberal-NDP government on their new "carbon tax for thee but not for me" policy. This is not a partisan issue, but a regional fairness issue.
Question is, does the Federal NDP agree with this policy.
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What does what Fuzz said about Moe’s comments have to do with anything?
Last edited by iggy_oi; 10-31-2023 at 12:53 PM.
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10-31-2023, 12:53 PM
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#9677
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
Was the tax on heating oil the same as the tax on natural gas?
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The current tax is 65$ per carbon tonne.
This would make the tax on heating oil about 40% higher than natural gas for it's equivalent due to lower carbon emissions, not counting efficiency factor.
The problem is. Now natural gas is charged as 65$ per carbon tonne, while heating oil is charged at 0$ per carbon tonne.
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10-31-2023, 12:57 PM
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#9678
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iggy_oi
Was the tax on heating oil the same as the tax on natural gas?
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It's similar, but natural gas is lower. A liter of heating oil and a cubic meter of natural gas produce a similar amount of heat (natural gas slightly less). And the carbon tax for them is $0.17/L for heating oil and $0.124 /m3 for natural gas.
On top of that, natural gas furnaces are generally going to be more efficient than oil ones, so you're paying less for wasted energy with gas.
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10-31-2023, 01:00 PM
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#9679
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
What does what Fuzz said about Moe’s comments have to do with anything?
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He posted an opinion piece claiming what Moe is proposing is illegal.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
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10-31-2023, 01:00 PM
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#9680
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebot
The current tax is 65$ per carbon tonne.
This would make the tax on heating oil about 40% higher than natural gas for it's equivalent due to lower carbon emissions, not counting efficiency factor.
The problem is. Now natural gas is charged as 65$ per carbon tonne, while heating oil is charged at 0$ per carbon tonne.
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Thanks for the numbers. They definitely had better options than just arbitrarily axing one of them.
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