2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[TheScorpion]

But the Flames don't have a MacKinnon, or a Rantanen, or a Makar.

Kadri was the fifth-best player on that Avs team. What are you going to win when he's your best player?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Useful to what degree?

You need middle players - and veterans - to help get that winning team.

Here's a list of the over 30 players on the Avalanche last year:

Andrew Cogliano
Darren Helm
Jack Johnson
Erik Johnson
Darcy Kuemper
Pavel Francouz
Jayson Megna

Heck, even Nazem Kadri at 30!

You don't throw away useful players when they play a specific role and they perform that role well.

To throw players away simply because they're on the wrong side of 30 is poor team management.

Yeah but...we can't get top players when we have a bunch of good support players firmly keeping us in the middle of the pack.

Again, it's not throwing away.

It's "How do we get our Mackinnon, Makar, Landeskog, Rantanen"

Those are the hard pieces to acquire. It's not all that difficult to find good support players - plenty are available every summer at UFA premiums. Even for smaller, less desirable markets like our own - we do a pretty good job of finding good support pieces in free agency...we need to build a top-end of the roster that can actually win though. We don't have like...any players that fill those slots.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Useful to what degree?

You need middle players - and veterans - to help get that winning team.

Here's a list of the over 30 players on the Avalanche last year:

Andrew Cogliano
Darren Helm
Jack Johnson
Erik Johnson
Darcy Kuemper
Pavel Francouz
Jayson Megna

Heck, even Nazem Kadri at 30!

You don't throw away useful players when they play a specific role and they perform that role well.

To throw players away simply because they're on the wrong side of 30 is poor team management.

And while you are rebuilding you need experienced players to help the kids develop. I think Andersson and Hanifin benefited from Gio. I think Lewis is a role model right now, Backlund too. Huberdeau is taking Pelletier under his wing.

In the next 5 years, 3-5 teams will win a cup. The rest won't.

[Flaming Horse]

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

You cannot sum it up more accurate than this.

[FlamesAddiction]

I read earlier that apparently Patrick Kane was given a list of teams to be traded to, but ultimately, it will be Kane's decision to be traded or not and that he is not leaning that way at the moment.

This writer's opinion is that there is a good chance that Kane ends up with the Flames.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...rade-deadline/

[dino7c]

that seems like a troll lol

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

But the perennial question is whether that’s a Tre issue or an ownership issue. Ownership’s drive to always be as competitive as possible is one of the reasons why this team is where it is.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

If this team still had Johnny, Tkachuck, Fox maybe even Brodie it could be a legit cup team. How much of these players outside of Brodie is directly to blame on Tre's handling. I dont know alot of it is hindsight for Johnny and Chucky but they could have had a very good team if people actually wanted to play here. That's a ton of talent to just walk out the door.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

Pretty sure his plan included Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Kylington.

Would be a different deal if he was just building off last year instead of a heart transplant no?

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

This has to come down from ownership. Not a matter of how well the team would do, but what puts buts in seats. This team is so bad right now. Sure they aren't completely out of it, but they are so damn mediocre and boring, most nights

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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

You cannot sum it up more accurate than this.

Except it isn't accurate at all.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

I don't even blame the GM for these things, that's been the MO from ownership my entire life, GM's listen to their bosses and then get the blame for it, that's their job. Even when they did agree to a rebuild they made sure after a year and a half that that's good enough.

My personal theory is that's why BT doesn't have a contract right now, he doesn't want one.

(Of course I'm basing all this on nothing but my gut, and that idiot is wrong all the time)

[memphusk]

Treliving probably hates all this the most. It couldn't be going any worse.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Psytic

If this team still had Johnny, Tkachuck, Fox maybe even Brodie it could be a legit cup team. How much of these players outside of Brodie is directly to blame on Tre's handling. I dont know alot of it is hindsight for Johnny and Chucky but they could have had a very good team if people actually wanted to play here. That's a ton of talent to just walk out the door.

We had Johnny, Chucky and better dmen than brodie last year (not fox) and we were embarrassed by our rivals to the north. This team, as built last year and this year, is nowhere near a legit cup team.

Could maybe argue there might have been some forward progression this year if we still had Johnny and Chucky but that's a big 'if'.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by chedder

We had Johnny, Chucky and better dmen than brodie last year (not fox) and we were embarrassed by our rivals to the north. This team, as built last year and this year, is nowhere near a legit cup team.

Could maybe argue there might have been some forward progression this year if we still had Johnny and Chucky but that's a big 'if'.

Pull Markstrom and put Vladar in for the series and with a more mobile d core with Fox and Brodie on the backend. I think they easily take the Oilers no question in my mind.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Psytic

If this team still had Johnny, Tkachuck, Fox maybe even Brodie it could be a legit cup team. How much of these players outside of Brodie is directly to blame on Tre's handling. I dont know alot of it is hindsight for Johnny and Chucky but they could have had a very good team if people actually wanted to play here. That's a ton of talent to just walk out the door.

I agree. He also couldn't foresee Monahan breaking down this early in his career, or Bennett not having chemistry with anyone on the team, or Valimaki suffering a career altering injury. As for Brodie, I think we got Tanev instead which was well worth it(we couldn't sign both because of the cap).

There were a lot of good pieces on this team. My problem with the Flames since the Iginla era aside from the weird coaching hires, and bargain hunting in the free agent market(in the $4-5M range), has been a lack of star veterans to help guide the new guys.

In my opinion, Giordano played a huge part in the amount of D we managed to develop over the last few years. We lacked the same on forward, but I thought that Jagr coming here in 2017-18 helped our young forwards take another step in the 2018-19 season. In fact, I even think that Markstrom was instrumental in Vladar rounding out his game. That's why I hope to see several past their prime stars around the team when we decide to rebuild next.

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by chedder

We had Johnny, Chucky and better dmen than brodie last year (not fox) and we were embarrassed by our rivals to the north. This team, as built last year and this year, is nowhere near a legit cup team.

Could maybe argue there might have been some forward progression this year if we still had Johnny and Chucky but that's a big 'if'.

Very good point. I was just about to say the same thing myself. We keep hearing at the start of the year how good this team is and each year they disappoint. Even last year they only won one round and then lose 4 gams in a row to the greasers.Hardly a successful season. So minus the players from last year how was this team going to be better but all we heard ws the summer of brad and this team was a contender.This team is so overvalued each year. Even back when they played the Avs and lost 4 games straight to them and all we heard was how the flames would easily handle them.

This team has foundational issues. It is not all on Treliving. Some of it is on ownership and the philosophy they have of lets just at least get in and make the home date revenue. It has been like that for decades. They don't want to tear it down and build it up and do it the proper way. Through drafting and developing. This team had a big opportunity to start fresh this offseason but now are committed to long term deals and bringing in a 32 yrold and signing him for seven years. They are just trying to stay competitive but then you end up in the middle. It is Tre team and he only has 2 playoff rounds won in 9yrs and that is not good enough and if he leaves there will be quite the mess left with some of these contracts, not much on the farm and very little NHL success.

[Manhattanboy]

In Treliving's defense, at the start of last year's playoffs the TSN panel led by James Duthie picked the Flames to win the Stanley Cup. I snapped a pic and have it on my phone. I look at it and sigh.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

All Tre has been doing is putting a band aid on everything. Never really having a plan or actually fixing anything. It is the band aid effect and that is why the team is stuck in the middle

I agree, but don't bring the wranglers into this