2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Toonage]

I'd think the Leafs would be the ones to find a way to get both Schenns

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

That's not necessarily true.
If Toronto offers him a sufficient salary AND the 8th year, it is arguable he could be 180 pounds of stupid to not accept that.

Yeah, whatever money is subtracted from Tavares goes to Marner. Seems obvious to me. And Marner seems to really like it there.

I’m sure all the camps are talking already.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Hard to imagine Calgary already projected to be close to cap with this team.

I'm not sure why you'd be offering Frost a long term deal at this stage. Unless it was at a very low number. He's looked OK, but not long term OK.

If Calgary is going to be a capped out team with little star power, welcome to the mushy middle.

What choice do we have, we traded for him.

Slafkovsky signed 7 years 7.1M deal after putting up 60 points in 121 games and he is right at the number this year.

These are your comparable for long term deals of a ELC for Zary and Coronato. Beiners in Seattle, Guenther in Utah all got 7 plus.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would love to see Marner walk, and see what Treliving does with that cap space lol.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'd think the Leafs would be the ones to find a way to get both Schenns

And we can help them make the cap work in exchange for picks/prospects.

[Monahammer]

If we had traded Rasmus before Christmas, it is likely we're comfortably in bottom 10 of the league right now.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

That's not necessarily true.
If Toronto offers him a sufficient salary AND the 8th year, it is arguable he could be 180 pounds of stupid to not accept that.

Sure, but he'd be stupid not to leverage the threat of walking away.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The idea that this team could become a cap team simply by signing the players we currently have is nightmarish.

Those four guys, Andersson and Wolf might get $40m between them on longer term deals (that's probably the high end). Minus the $10m they're currently making = $30m added to the cap, which should be $104m in two years.

They've currently got $67m against their cap without Mantha, so add that $30m and they're around $97m. Backlund and Vladar will be off the books (or they or their replacement will be signed for a million each), so that means a hit of about $94m against a $104m cap (assuming low value guys fill in the lineup).

The following year, Parekh is up for an extension (and likely another young defender) and Coleman's hit drops off... Cap goes up another $4-5m, which with Coleman's hit, should cover off Parekh's extension assuming he's as good as hoped.

It looks like even with this, they have about $10m a year available, but if they do sign another 29-30year old star, they'll be in a pretty tough space if some of their other prospects need to get paid or if they bridge a couple of the younger guys and then need to pay them... or just to fill in the lineup.

Huberdeau's contract is certainly going to start hurting in about two years. Kadri's could as well if he starts really falling off in two years too.

Another reason to remain patient and build through the draft. Like Minnesota, they're pretty handcuffed to make major splashes, so they need to focus on finding their stars all over the draft.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol Friedman rumor that the Schenns want to play together somewhere. Seems to have us written all over it- over the hill but former cup winning 2 way C and a big strong LD.

That would be a terrible outcome.

Luke Schenn is a RD

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol Friedman rumor that the Schenns want to play together somewhere. Seems to have us written all over it- over the hill but former cup winning 2 way C and a big strong LD.

That would be a terrible outcome.

In what world would that trade align to anything that Conroy has done since becoming GM.

People seem to like to manufacture things to complain about that just aren't there right now.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Already there. Look at the standings. Even with Conroy "helping the team out" it's likely we will just miss the playoffs.

Wasted season.

"Wasted Season" is too narrow of a view at looking at it.

Wolf, Coronato, Zary all showed progression at the NHL level. IMO the trade for Frost and Farabee was a great move. Huberdeau has progressed to the point of being an effective NHLer and redeveloped his game (Even if he's not worth $10.5M still).

Honzek had a great camp, surprised to make the NHL roster, and an okay first AHL season for a 20 year old. Kerins, Stromgren, Brzustwicz and other AHLers had good development this year as well.

Parekh, Misa, Battaglia, Gridin, Suniev, Mews, Hoskin, Jamieson, Morin, etc are all having really great development seasons in their respective junior leagues.

Would it have been great to get a top 5 or top 10 pick? Sure.

But to call it a wasted season is foolish. The team went into the season with the second lowest salary cap in the league, was expected to be bad, but due to a potential Calder performance from a Rookie goalie, and strong play from other youngsters they are battling for a playoff spot.

Lots of good things have come out of this season, and honestly the difference between picking 10th and 21st or 21st and 23rd doesn't make it a "wasted season".

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Sure, but he'd be stupid not to leverage the threat of walking away.

Which is very different than actually going to free agency...

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In what world would that trade align to anything that Conroy has done since becoming GM.

People seem to like to manufacture things to complain about that just aren't there right now.



"Wasted Season" is too narrow of a view at looking at it.

Wolf, Coronato, Zary all showed progression at the NHL level. IMO the trade for Frost and Farabee was a great move. Huberdeau has progressed to the point of being an effective NHLer and redeveloped his game (Even if he's not worth $10.5M still).

Honzek had a great camp, surprised to make the NHL roster, and an okay first AHL season for a 20 year old. Stromgren, Brzustwicz and other AHLers had good development this year as well.

Parekh, Misa, Battaglia, Gridin, Suniev, Mews, Hoskin, Jamieson, Morin, etc are all having really great development seasons in their respective junior leagues.

Would it have been great to get a top 5 or top 10 pick? Sure.

But to call it a wasted season is foolish. The team went into the season with the second lowest salary cap in the league, was expected to be bad, but due to a potential Calder performance from a Rookie goalie, and strong play from other youngsters they are battling for a playoff spot.

Lots of good things have come out of this season, and honestly the difference between picking 10th and 21st or 21st and 23rd doesn't make it a "wasted season".

Great post and par for the course from Monahammer. Same guy said Wolf would demand a trade if he didn’t get 20 games last year.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I mean it's not all too bad. It could be Lindholm, Tanev, Zadorov and Hanifin taking up those slots lol.

It will be a pain for a season or so but the cap will be $104 million the following season, and Backlund comes off the cap. That cap space tho is likely eaten by the Wolf extension.

If San Jose and Anaheim push us down the standings next season maybe we luck into a McKenna he is not a center but we still need elite 1st line talent.

Is McKenna not projected to be a center? He may be playing wing right now because he’s so young but I thought he was projected to be a center.

[Rtown]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When it comes to Toronto I am very well connected. Mitch Marner is going to test free agency, that doesn't mean he is closing the door in Toronto but he is going to take a look. If I am wrong feel free to give me the gears. I am sharing what has been shared with me, you can ignore it if you like. For those that appreciate when I do share something I am happy to do so.

Well thanks for throwing out what you hear. A lot of us find it interesting.

Then some will be like “we want rumours” and when a guy gives it to them “yeah right, you’re making #### up”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Those four guys, Andersson and Wolf might get $40m between them on longer term deals (that's probably the high end). Minus the $10m they're currently making = $30m added to the cap, which should be $104m in two years.

They've currently got $67m against their cap without Mantha, so add that $30m and they're around $97m. Backlund and Vladar will be off the books (or they or their replacement will be signed for a million each), so that means a hit of about $94m against a $104m cap (assuming low value guys fill in the lineup).

The following year, Parekh is up for an extension (and likely another young defender) and Coleman's hit drops off... Cap goes up another $4-5m, which with Coleman's hit, should cover off Parekh's extension assuming he's as good as hoped.

It looks like even with this, they have about $10m a year available, but if they do sign another 29-30year old star, they'll be in a pretty tough space if some of their other prospects need to get paid or if they bridge a couple of the younger guys and then need to pay them... or just to fill in the lineup.

Huberdeau's contract is certainly going to start hurting in about two years. Kadri's could as well if he starts really falling off in two years too.

Another reason to remain patient and build through the draft. Like Minnesota, they're pretty handcuffed to make major splashes, so they need to focus on finding their stars all over the draft.

The projected cap space for the Flames does not include cap holds. So if we sign the 4 RFAS to $25 million this season, we will have 9.6 million in cap space for next season.

We have a projected 63 million in cap space for 26/27 if we subtract the 25 million that brings us to 38 million and if you are signing Andersson and Wolf to a combined 18M we are now down to 20M. Now imagine we had Rantanen on the team at 14 even though we don't have the space to do it, that would leave you with 6 million to fill out the roster.

That would be pretty dire for a lineup with no elite center, and wingers into their 30's eating up 25 million in cap space.

It's why I have been saying cap space can get eaten up pretty quickly and wasting it on free agents in their 30's is not the way to go, so not sure why Steinberg thinks the Flames will be after Rantanen.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If we had traded Rasmus before Christmas, it is likely we're comfortably in bottom 10 of the league right now.

Show your work

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When it comes to Toronto I am very well connected. Mitch Marner is going to test free agency, that doesn't mean he is closing the door in Toronto but he is going to take a look. If I am wrong feel free to give me the gears. I am sharing what has been shared with me, you can ignore it if you like. For those that appreciate when I do share something I am happy to do so.

Thanks Diss. Always appreciate everyone with some inside info that chooses to share what they can with us.

On the topic of players going to free agency:

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think you had mentioned back in the summer that you were pretty certain McDavid was going to test free agency in 2026. Not calling you out on it… more just wondering if you have any updates on that… especially now that Draisaitl is re-signed. Any info on if you think he will go to free agency still?

I wonder if a team like Toronto would plan for McDavid hitting free agency by not signing Marner. Max out the amount of cap space they will have to give him if they had inside info (a.k.a. Toronto Tampering) that McDavid would test free agency.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What choice do we have, we traded for him.

Slafkovsky signed 7 years 7.1M deal after putting up 60 points in 121 games and he is right at the number this year.

These are your comparable for long term deals of a ELC for Zary and Coronato. Beiners in Seattle, Guenther in Utah all got 7 plus.

I sure wouldn't be giving Frost a long term contract at $7M today.

Slafkovsky got it as a 20 year old after getting 20-30-50.

Frost is 25 and certainly doesn't have the same shine that Slafovsky had.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Already there. Look at the standings. Even with Conroy "helping the team out" it's likely we will just miss the playoffs.

Wasted season.

So we have to do this all again huh?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's why I have been saying cap space can get eaten up pretty quickly and wasting it on free agents in their 30's is not the way to go, so not sure why Steinberg thinks the Flames will be after Rantanen.

I think Ryan Leslie has said it too. It sounds like it's coming straight from the Flames.

Whether it's a good idea or a good use of their time is another story. I think it's kind of setting yourself up for embarrassment