Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

OH this must be the pushing back against ottawa stickanus was talking about!

Starting to think StickMan is Rob Anders. Shows up at election times, considers liberals evil, and has nothing to back up his claims.

Hi Rob!

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by woob

Look, I'm no Trudeau fan nor Singh, but if I had to choose between a Danielle Smith led UCP party and a Rachel Notley led Alberta NDP party that might have some direction from a Jagmeet/Trudeau coalition, I'd still choose Alberta NDP.

But thankfully I don't drink the koolaid, and know I don't have to worry about this.

To add, even if you're a UCP Kool Aid drinker... an NDP-led party may actually force the UCP to make changes or encourage another option in the future. Just blindly voting encourages the party you've always supported more entitled.

[Sylvanfan]

So based on this thread I should bet on NDP over 55 seats? Seems like a sweep in Calgary and Edmonton...and let's face it the rest of the province doesn't count.

I can't see the UCP winning any urban seats. Even if the NDP campaign is we're not Danielle Smith...they'll gain votes in the next 28 days because Dmith will find ways to alienate everyone.

[puffnstuff]

I thought rural seats were over represented in the leg?

SGTFM

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Let’s keep it simple.

Things the UCP successfully did (Consequence):

- Lowered corporate taxes. (Most likely reducing tax revenues when we were trying to pay down debt)

- Eliminated and/or reduced worker protections in the Labour Code (Never a positive for working people, they also implemented no additional protections for essential workers during the pandemic)

- Lowered the minimum wage for workers under 18 (Brutal move from the worker’s point of view but also put business owners at risk of having a human rights complaint filed against them if they were naive/greedy enough to pay their employees the reduced wage)

- Bought a pipeline (The project was cancelled as expected and the taxpayers are out over $1B)

There’s more but are you not seeing a trend in who their policies are designed to help? Hint: It’s not the majority of people who live here.

I just have to add one item

successfully procured NSAID: $88 million for Alberta "private label" TylenNOT that cannot be sold outside of Alberta

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

So based on this thread I should bet on NDP over 55 seats? Seems like a sweep in Calgary and Edmonton...and let's face it the rest of the province doesn't count.

I can't see the UCP winning any urban seats. Even if the NDP campaign is we're not Danielle Smith...they'll gain votes in the next 28 days because Dmith will find ways to alienate everyone.

It depends on if you count, Ft Mac, Grand prairie, Airdrie, Red Deer, Lethbridge or Medicine Hat as urban or not.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

I thought rural seats were over represented in the leg?

Of the 87 seats there are 26 with Calgary in the name and 20 with Edmonton. Add in some burbs and it's around 2/3rds of the seats. I would think the population is more like 75 to 80% in those seats....but that's uneducated white colonial era highscool education me making that guess.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It depends on if you count, Ft Mac, Grand prairie, Airdrie, Red Deer, Lethbridge or Medicine Hat as urban or not.

For the purpose of my statement I do not. Calgary-Edmonton plus places like St.Albert/Airdrie types that are within 20km of the city.

[Kickazzflames]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Both suck, as I said, I would prefer to vote for another party.

Funny enough, that is how I feel. I am caught in between the two.

Edit: To be fair, I consider myself undecided and will be seriously looking at policy's the next couple of weeks.

[Muta]

I'm not conflicted at all. This election comes down to only two parties - the NDP and the UCP. The UCP have beyond proved that they are terrible fiscally, terrible socially, divisive from our fellow Canadians, out of touch with Canadian and provincial political policy, seditious, straight up criminal in their defiance of Canadian law, and extremely dangerous to the long-term prosperity, credibility and economic health of this province. Everything that Yoho, StickMan and ShotIntheBacklund have complained about the NDP for, the UCP has done 10x worse damage to this province.

If there was a third, credible option like the Alberta Party, I'd vote for them (like I have in the past), but the AP is far from credible at this point. From here on in, for me, there is clearly one logical choice, and it is the party that is on par with the former Lougheed conservatives - the NDP.

Also, 'takes orders from Jagmeet/Trudeau'... lol.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Since you can't seem to answer directly what policy the NDP created that offended you so deeply, can you name something that Smith is doing, actively, to "push back against Ottawa" ?

I have one. Supporting and fraternizing with individuals that were considered leaders of the “freedom convoy”. Am I doing this correctly?

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

So based on this thread I should bet on NDP over 55 seats? Seems like a sweep in Calgary and Edmonton...and let's face it the rest of the province doesn't count.

I can't see the UCP winning any urban seats. Even if the NDP campaign is we're not Danielle Smith...they'll gain votes in the next 28 days because Dmith will find ways to alienate everyone.

Unfortunately some parts of south calgary are going to be a problem for the NDP I think. I hope i’m wrong though.

[BlackArcher101]

The only place I see UCP winning over the NDP is in relation to gun control and fighting the federal government against it. I see a lot of UCP voters voting for them for just this one specific reason alone.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

I thought rural seats were over represented in the leg?

SGTFM

It really depends on your definition of rural. I would say anything within a 40 minute drive of downtown Edmonton or Calgary is urban. Let be honest, these people work, shop and spend their free time in the city. Likewise, I would call any city over over 60,000 urban.

Taking up Sylvan Fan's math. 46 seats are split between Calgary and Edmonton and another 14 fall into small cities or suburbs. That makes 60/87 urban over rural.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Unfortunately some parts of south calgary are going to be a problem for the NDP I think. I hope i’m wrong though.

Definitely. Apart from Calgary-South East which is a massive UCP stronghold, I think Calgary-Hays is up there as one of the most conservative in any urban center. Good luck getting Ric McIver out.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

The only place I see UCP winning over the NDP is in relation to gun control and fighting the federal government against it. I see a lot of UCP voters voting for them for just this one specific reason alone.

I would say the biggest thing is anxiety about the Oil and Gas economy.

I joked about Notley signing a novelty sized contract, but in all reality she might have to drink fracking gew to prove that she is pro oil and gas.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Artur Pawlowski has been found guilty in a Lethbridge court.

I bet he’s happy it got done before the election so Smith can Pardon him before she is out of office. I don’t like it but these provincial pardons are always political when they happen at the end of terms.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Muta

I'm not conflicted at all. This election comes down to only two parties - the NDP and the UCP. The UCP have beyond proved that they are terrible fiscally, terrible socially, divisive from our fellow Canadians, out of touch with Canadian and provincial political policy, seditious, straight up criminal in their defiance of Canadian law, and extremely dangerous to the long-term prosperity, credibility and economic health of this province. Everything that Yoho, StickMan and ShotIntheBacklund have complained about the NDP for, the UCP has done 10x worse damage to this province.

If there was a third, credible option like the Alberta Party, I'd vote for them (like I have in the past), but the AP is far from credible at this point. From here on in, for me, there is clearly one logical choice, and it is the party that is on par with the former Lougheed conservatives - the NDP.

Also, 'takes orders from Jagmeet/Trudeau'... lol.

1000% this.

There is no choice election.

I voted for multiple parties in my voting lifetime. The choice for AB NDP is crystal clear this time around. The UCP are ridiculously corrupt AF, bad for democracy, bad for anyone accept themselves.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Muta

I'm not conflicted at all. This election comes down to only two parties - the NDP and the UCP. The UCP have beyond proved that they are terrible fiscally, terrible socially, divisive from our fellow Canadians, out of touch with Canadian and provincial political policy, seditious, straight up criminal in their defiance of Canadian law, and extremely dangerous to the long-term prosperity, credibility and economic health of this province. Everything that Yoho, StickMan and ShotIntheBacklund have complained about the NDP for, the UCP has done 10x worse damage to this province.

If there was a third, credible option like the Alberta Party, I'd vote for them (like I have in the past), but the AP is far from credible at this point. From here on in, for me, there is clearly one logical choice, and it is the party that is on par with the former Lougheed conservatives - the NDP.

Also, 'takes orders from Jagmeet/Trudeau'... lol.

Prove all those bad things you say about the ucp. Isn't that how we function on this page? You can't say anything without hours of research and links to back it up?

And the Provincial and Federal NDP are basically one party Jagmeet appreciates your vote.

[StickMan]

Convince me to vote NDP. What is one good thing that could come from another NDP government in Alberta?