2024/2025 Trade Rumours and Speculation thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Those are both a no from the other team. You're not getting the 5th overall pick from Ottawa, let alone Pinto or Norris on top of that.

And Jersey won't give up 10th overall if that's where they need up picking when the season ends.

Yeah, a 5 pick has been traded only once since 2005. In 2008 (and Toronto drafted Luke Schenn). A top 4 pick hasn’t been traded in all that time.

I think that wasn’t a heavily planned trade. Toronto really wanted a Dman and three of the top 4 had gone, so they moved up two spots. Of course, as it turns out, they could have just traded down and gotten Karlsson or Carlson, or even Meyers.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Just because I would love for the flames to be aggressive at the draft this year… who says no in these trade proposals:

TRADE #1:

To Ottawa:
Andersson
Coleman (40% retained)
Vancouver’s 2024 first round pick (29th overall)
Calgary’s 2025 second round pick

To Calgary:
Ottawa’s 2024 first round pick (5th overall)
Pinto or Norris

TRADE #2:

To New Jersey:
Markstrom (50% retained)
Calgary’s 2024 2nd round pick

To Calgary:
New Jersey’s 2024 1st round pick (10th overall)

RESULT:

Calgary gets to pick 3 times in the top 12 and potentially comes away with a center (Catton or Lindstrom), a defenceman (Yakemchuk) and an Iginla (Tij). Calgary also likely puts the nail in the coffin of their defence for next year by trading Andersson so they likely end up picking in the top five for the 2025 draft when combining that with trading Markstrom. This sweetens the deal a little for Ottawa because that 2025 second round pick from Calgary could be a good one.

I’m sure the obvious answer I’ll get to “who says no” is… Murray because of all the salary retention I’m putting in. But I think it would take a lot to get either of these trades done especially since Fitz will likely think he’s solved his goaltending problem with Allen now and it’s almost unheard of for a team to trade a top five pick even if Ottawa is desperate to start making the playoffs.

My opinion is that, sadly, both Ottawa and New Jersey say no to these trades. We all hope for big trades at the draft but it is so rare these days. That’s when picks are at their highest value and players under contract are at their lowest value. Would love for it to happen but I imagine any trade with either of these teams would be for picks in the 2025 draft instead.

So if you think both teams would say no, why make up the proposal?

Seems like a waste of your time...

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Looks like a click bait headline/article

THW are hardcore Oilers fanboys too

This is the quote from the Kypreos piece that that article is referring to:

Interesting to see that both Jacob Markstrom and Linus Ullmark wouldn't waive no-trade clauses to join the Los Angeles Kings for their playoff drive. With Markstrom having no interest in being on the West Coast and Ullmark believing Boston has a better chance to win a Cup than the Kings, I ask, where has L.A.'s Tinseltown magic to draw players gone?

Kypreos has shown to have solid intel in the past. More of a mouthpiece for the union and agents though.

[Toonage]

If it was just THW site I'd write this off completely. They're a waste.

Kypreos? Still not 100% sold on his info, but it raises the eyebrows a bit.

Also, if I'm Markstrom why would I want to stay in this division? I've seen enough of the Oilers.

And if I'm the Kings, why would I want a guy that gets shelled when he plays the Oilers, your likely 1st round opponent?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

This is the quote from the Kypreos piece that that article is referring to:



Kypreos has shown to have solid intel in the past. More of a mouthpiece for the union and agents though.

I wouldn't doubt if it's more to do with the easier travel schedule out east as I can't imagine any other reason for choosing New Jersey over LA.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't doubt if it's more to do with the easier travel schedule out east as I can't imagine any other reason for choosing New Jersey over LA.

Easier Travel Schedule

IMO Devils better positioned to win than the Kings with Hughes/Hischier/Hamilton etc

Personally I like New York a lot more than I like LA (and lets be honest they'd be living in New York)

Lots of reasons to prefer the Devils to the Kings IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Easier Travel Schedule

IMO Devils better positioned to win than the Kings with Hughes/Hischier/Hamilton etc

Personally I like New York a lot more than I like LA (and lets be honest they'd be living in New York)

Lots of reasons to prefer the Devils to the Kings IMO.

And this isn’t just a rental situation so it’s a more significant decision for him.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Those are both a no from the other team. You're not getting the 5th overall pick from Ottawa, let alone Pinto or Norris on top of that.

And Jersey won't give up 10th overall if that's where they need up picking when the season ends.

That Senators deal is pretty terrible for Calgary, especially if that piece coming back is Norris. He just had his 3rd surgery on the same shoulder, and he certainly hasn't proven to be an 8M dollar player when healthy either.

It's amazing just how much people overrate draft picks.

Alex Debrincat returned the 7th overall pick, a 2nd, and a 3rd as a undersized one dimensional goal scorer. Yes, he was an RFA, but really only had two years of team control. Rasmus Andersson alone is worth a top 10 pick by himself with potential adds depending on where that pick is slotted.

Additionally Blake Coleman at under 3M is a vastly valuable piece that many teams would pay through the nose for.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't doubt if it's more to do with the easier travel schedule out east as I can't imagine any other reason for choosing New Jersey over LA.

Especially for a player with a young family. The number of nights away from home in LA vs NJ is significant. IIRC, something like 20-25 more nights sleeping at home in a season in that NY/NJ/BOS/PHI region vs the West Coast.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Just because I would love for the flames to be aggressive at the draft this year… who says no in these trade proposals:

TRADE #1:

To Ottawa:
Andersson
Coleman (40% retained)
Vancouver’s 2024 first round pick (29th overall)
Calgary’s 2025 second round pick

To Calgary:
Ottawa’s 2024 first round pick (5th overall)
Pinto or Norris

TRADE #2:

To New Jersey:
Markstrom (50% retained)
Calgary’s 2024 2nd round pick

To Calgary:
New Jersey’s 2024 1st round pick (10th overall)

RESULT:

Calgary gets to pick 3 times in the top 12 and potentially comes away with a center (Catton or Lindstrom), a defenceman (Yakemchuk) and an Iginla (Tij). Calgary also likely puts the nail in the coffin of their defence for next year by trading Andersson so they likely end up picking in the top five for the 2025 draft when combining that with trading Markstrom. This sweetens the deal a little for Ottawa because that 2025 second round pick from Calgary could be a good one.

I’m sure the obvious answer I’ll get to “who says no” is… Murray because of all the salary retention I’m putting in. But I think it would take a lot to get either of these trades done especially since Fitz will likely think he’s solved his goaltending problem with Allen now and it’s almost unheard of for a team to trade a top five pick even if Ottawa is desperate to start making the playoffs.

My opinion is that, sadly, both Ottawa and New Jersey say no to these trades. We all hope for big trades at the draft but it is so rare these days. That’s when picks are at their highest value and players under contract are at their lowest value. Would love for it to happen but I imagine any trade with either of these teams would be for picks in the 2025 draft instead.

Friends don't let friends do hard drugs and post.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That Senators deal is pretty terrible for Calgary, especially if that piece coming back is Norris. He just had his 3rd surgery on the same shoulder, and he certainly hasn't proven to be an 8M dollar player when healthy either.

It's amazing just how much people overrate draft picks.

Alex Debrincat returned the 7th overall pick, a 2nd, and a 3rd as a undersized one dimensional goal scorer. Yes, he was an RFA, but really only had two years of team control. Rasmus Andersson alone is worth a top 10 pick by himself with potential adds depending on where that pick is slotted.

Additionally Blake Coleman at under 3M is a vastly valuable piece that many teams would pay through the nose for.

Ottawa is under unbelievable pressure to win next year. They are the team that moved the 7th overall pick. That 5th overall pick has almost no value for them because by the time that pick contributes Tkachuk will be getting traded for futures. The right side of their defence is horrific, might be the worst in the league, definitely bottom five. They will be upgrading that positon this offseason.

Current UFA right handed shot dmen options for them are

Tanev
Barrie
Myers
Montour
Demalo
Walker
Pesce

The rest are absolute garbage. The only names on that list that really move the needle for them are probably Tanev and Montour.

The Sens have 12 million dollars to sign the following players before they try to fix the right side via UFA or trade market

Pinto
Brannstrom
Parker Kelly

If they want to sign those 3 players that takes up 7 million of the space. So that leaves them about 5 million bucks to sign 3-4 more players including hopefully Tanev or Montour.

Strongly suspect the Sens try to trade for a right shot RD this summer. Also suspect they do not want to move any of their forwards outside of Greig and Pinto. They also need to create salary room or move a guy that would cost salary room in the trade. Only other logical option they have is to find a team that would trade Chychrun straight up for a right shot RD or trade Chychrun for a bunch of prospects/futures and hope that those are good enough to get a right shot RD.

I would be surprised if the Sens place a huge value on the 5th overall pick at this point in time if it allows them to get a top 4 RD. They have traded their last two first round picks and are definitely on the verge of having a significant drop in attendance. People cannot give away Sens tickets these days, just got offered two to see the Oilers but said no because I had other plans for Sunday and had no desire to see the Oilers pound them 5-2.

Long rant to basically agree with you, I think the Sens would consider Rasmus straight up for the 5th overall pick and then try to move Chychrun for cost controlled pieces.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MrMike

No player would ever block a trade out of Calgary to play in California on a decent team headed to the playoffs.

Only way he blocks it, is a big “F U” to the upper management who asked him to waive for NJ and didn’t follow through. I mean spite is fun.

I must be crazy, but other than more pleasant weather in the winter, L.A. doesn't seem all that appealing to me from a lifestyle perspective unless my plan was to be a shut-in.

[dustygoon]

I get the travel argument, but LA. That team is on the upswing too. I would rather play goal in front of that blueline (better defensively) vs the NJ blueline (young and offensive).

[saillias]

If true, highly doubt it's something about LA. More specifically Markstrom's fed up after the NJ situation, he has a NMC, he didn't want to pack up his life and move on short notice, he's vocally pissed off with Flames management "up top." Not that he sat down and analyzed Los Angeles and the Kings and said "hmm no I rate this organization 6.5 stars and California is not suitable to my tastes"

[Royle9]

I seriously doubt Norris even comes back to play.
3rd shoulder surgery on the same shoulder in less than a year.

Sad but honestly I think he’s done. Even if he thinks he can rehab and get back to 100% I’d wager it’s only a matter of time, his value is basically 0 at this point.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Personally I like New York a lot more than I like LA (and lets be honest they'd be living in New York)

Everyone's different, I guess. That place would be close to last on the list for me.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I get the travel argument, but LA. That team is on the upswing too. I would rather play goal in front of that blueline (better defensively) vs the NJ blueline (young and offensive).

You could argue LA isnt on the upswing with their 2 best players getting up there in age.

[CliffFletcher]

Yeah, LA’s rebuild may have already peaked. Kopitar and Doughty are winding down. Byfield still has room to improve. But that’s about it. Kempe, Fiala, Danault, Anderson are what they are at this point. They lost depth in the Dubois fiasco, and they don’t really have any blue chip prospects on the way.

The Kings are a pretty good team, and will likely be in the playoff mix for a few years. But I don’t see them contending at the top of the conference going forward.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, LA’s rebuild may have already peaked. Kopitar and Doughty are winding down. Byfield still has room to improve. But that’s about it. Kempe, Fiala, Danault, Anderson are what they are at this point. They lost depth in the Dubois fiasco, and they don’t really have any blue chip prospects on the way.

The Kings are a pretty good team, and will likely be in the playoff mix for a few years. But I don’t see them contending at the top of the conference going forward.

People ####ting on Dubois reminds me of people ####ting on Bennett. If you're going to play a guy with a player who has 4 points, his offensive output is going to suffer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, LA’s rebuild may have already peaked. Kopitar and Doughty are winding down. Byfield still has room to improve. But that’s about it. Kempe, Fiala, Danault, Anderson are what they are at this point. They lost depth in the Dubois fiasco, and they don’t really have any blue chip prospects on the way.

The Kings are a pretty good team, and will likely be in the playoff mix for a few years. But I don’t see them contending at the top of the conference going forward.

He still probably has a better chance with LA. San Jose and Anaheim are in the toilet. Calgary is retooling. Vancouver will be up and down along with Edmonton. Seattle isn't really a threat. LA isn't a huge threat either, but they have made the playoffs more than New Jersey.

It's likely that no one wants to play with PLD. Not sure what LA was thinking, but that will go down as one of the worst trades ever.